Right, because as we have discussed before, the only logical conclusion is that different species suddenly *poof* into existance when the "intelligent-poofer" seeas fit. Isn't that the conclusion we came to before?The earth is old, and animals don't evolve. Therefore, an ID (or rather, IP) *poofs* species into existance according to some mysterious will/plan. Sounds like a perfect explanation to me, and entirely irrational to boot. This message has been edited by Yaro, 01-03-2006 11:23 AM

No, that's what you said:
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Yaro, no I am saying we always only witness "poofs." Poofs are basic to what consitutes physical reality. Understanding that helps to understand how any of the following can be possible:

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1. Species could evolve via an intelligent force causing the changes to occur much faster than what is called "natural means" via random mutation and selection; super-evolution via ID.

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2. Species could appear from other multi-verses.

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3. Species could appear, poof, into the earth created by an Intelligent Designer.

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4. The universe itself, containing both subluminal and superluminal structures, could have built-in mechanisms for manifesting new species besides biological evolution.

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Any of all of the above.
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Basicaly, you offer nothing. A magical explanation based on a half-assed intepretation of QM. You have no explanations, you think things just magicaly come into being one day at the whim of an invisible sky man.

No, I am fed up with your baseless assertions. All you want to do is trash evolution, science, and biology. Yet you have nothing to offer in return. You have no proff for your hypothesis, you have no evidence.How on earth can you be even remotely sure of it?I mean, seriously, if the world is as random and unstable as you are proposing, no wonder you call yourself randman.

No. Not personal, not attacks. Just calling it like I see it. I could write you a long post showing how you do nothing but evade direct questions, trash honest scientists, put forth the work frauds, crack-pots, and kooks as your "evidence".That's a fact. So let's just take that as a given shall we? Now, to tie it into the topic, how do you propose the species got here?If it is by *poofing*, please describe the method and mechanism by which a group of creatures open a wormhole into our universe and take up residence on our planet? Great! Please, describe the mechanism those individuals use to explain speciation.This message has been edited by Yaro, 01-03-2006 12:07 PM

Maybe it's not wormholes then... I dunno... YOU NEVER SAY!Why don't you EXPLAIN YOURSELF?Randman, if you do not answer the following question, YOU ARE INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST:

RANDMAN: Explain the mechanism by which species got here? Explain *POOFING*.

This message has been edited by Yaro, 01-03-2006 02:41 PM

Why should we assume otherwise randman? Animals don't just magically apear, fully formed.

That's nice, a possibility. So what's the answer to the question?Look Randy, it boils down to this. If you wan't to overturn the ToE you have to provide an alternative that fits the evidence better than the ToE does. So far you have failed to provide one.If you have nothing to replace it, then what's your problem with it? So far it works, it fits the evidence, and leads to predictable results. If you have anything better ANSWER MY QUESTION ABOVE!If you do not answer the question, you are INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST! I can describe the ToE to you in a paragraph. Can you do the same with your theory?This message has been edited by Yaro, 01-03-2006 02:40 PM

lol. okABE: Fixed the spelling.This message has been edited by Yaro, 01-03-2006 02:40 PM

Then obviously you don't understand how science works. All scientific theories are devised to explain evidence, if they work we keep them untill something better comes along. You don't just toss it out.If you have nothing to replace it then what's the point of railing against it? Your opinion, but certainly not the opinion of the scientific community which has used the ToE to great effect. Without it, everything in Biology, genetics, etc. Fails to make sense. Wrong. We don't have evidence of an ID, if we did, we would consider it. Since there isn't evidence as of yet we have no reason to consider it.Remember the Sphagetti Monster? Yes, it's sad isn't it. s8int.com and AiG hasn't mannaged to sway our poor unbeliveing souls Well, so far it fits the evidence the best. Unfortunetly no one... *ahem* you... have offered a viable alternative. So we have to stick with what has been working untill now right? No, been there, done that.I find your position compleatly laughable. Mainly because you offer nothing as an alternative. You just want to say "Paki ain't a whale.". When asked "What is he?" you don't answer. When asked "Where did he come from?" You don't explain.When asked "How does *poofing* work?". I get names of some people, no explanation.We can explain to you how the ToE works, how it accounts for everything so far etc. So far, it's the best theory for the job. Works quite well. Yet, you want to trash it to replace it with a *poofing* hypothesis?I don't see how you can proceed on this thread, discussing pakicetus yet again, when you yourself can't account for where the creature fits into biology! You can't account for it's origins, it's demise, etc. ToE can.

Nope. If it fits the data, that's what stands. Science is a process of getting "righter".Say you were stranded on an island and you only had a flat-head screwdriver and all the screws to fix your boat were philips-head screws. Do you fling away the screwdriver and say "Damn. This doesn't fit the screws 100% it's worthless." Apperantly that's what you would do. See, here is the thing randman, ToE makes predictions and those predictions bare out. It's used and applied in genetics, computer science, and medicine. Thing is, it works! So unless you got something better, we ain't gonna throw it out. No, they are not. They are evidence of teh giant green elf that lives in my butt. Duh. Wonderfull. Thanks for that assertion I guess we will all go home now. No. You still havn't answerd my question. What is the mechanism by which things *poof* into existance?What is it. I can explain the ToE and it's mechanism to you in a paragraph. Can you do the same for your *poofer*?This message has been edited by Yaro, 01-03-2006 03:26 PM

LOL... randman, the fact that you cannot see that that the passenger pidgeon had flocks of over a billion birds around 300 miles long which flew all around the country is amusing.

Says you. Of course not, fosillized bones don't evolve. You succeed at clinging to fringe theories, missrepresentations, crackpots, cooks, and mystirious magical invocations. I'll take the word of scientists over someone like you any day.

This from the guy who SERIOUSLY suggests the passenger pidgeon *popped* into existance one day at the behest of an invisble spirit This message has been edited by Yaro, 01-04-2006 09:43 AM

He is related to whales. Ah! Yes. I have seen many dolphins with long snouts lined with sharp teeth Goes to show what you think the demarcation of a species is:"Ah, that them there thing looks like flipper! It's a for real whale. Not like them fake onez the eavil evos use."

Apparently. Randman refuses to explain the mechanisim by which this works.Check this out: Message 20