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nwr
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Message 110 of 243 (275685)
01-04-2006 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by randman
01-04-2006 9:24 AM


Re: About the Site
My point is you have 5 steps among say, 10,000 steps needed, then perhaps calling the 999,995 missing steps "gaps" is dubious at best, highly misleading, if not an outright fabrication.
These numbers (5 and 10,000) are meaningless, and the idea that 10,000 - 5 = 999995 is absurd. There is a discussion of the somewhat arbitrariness of what is a species in All species are transitional. I suggest you read through that thread.
Discussing fossil rarity as a whole or the fossilization process hardly is a study taking into account the actual numbers of whale fossils and so comparing fossilization rates for whale evolution.
As has been explained to you in the past, ToE does not make any predictions as to fossilization rate. Therefore data about fossilation rate cannot contradict ToE.
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nwr
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Message 120 of 243 (275711)
01-04-2006 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 116 by randman
01-04-2006 9:46 AM


Re: Put Up or Shut Up!
The fact that whales are extremely well-represented in the fossil record, and the fact that some creatures such as Basisosaurus are well represented indicates a high fossilization rate for this habitat.
Given the fuss you have made about the habitat of pakicetus being different from that of modern whales, it is ironic that you would argue as if there is such a thing as "this habitat".
The fossil record shows stasis and sudden appearance.
That's pretty much what I would expect, based on my understanding of how evolution works.
For example, if you look at charts of evolution, you will generally if not always find that a group of species is suppossed to have evolved from a common ancestor, but you never see that common ancestor in the fossil record.
It is pretty difficult to find a "cat's whisker" crystal radio too, even though that's a common "ancestor" of modern radios, tvs, cellular phones, etc.
In other words, ID much better fits the data.
ID says nothing at all about the data. Therefore ID would fit any data whatsoever. That's why ID is completely worthless as science.

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Message 182 of 243 (276196)
01-05-2006 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by randman
01-05-2006 6:27 PM


Re: Randman, give us your story.
I see evolution as based on outright fraud, overstatement and exagerration.
We understand that is how you see it. You are mistaken.
You see creationism and ID as outside the realm of science.
As currently practiced, they are outside science.
Randman, can you take a look at Intelligent tree growth. It is a discussion of what makes for good science. I would be interested in your comments, reaction, participation in that thread.

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Message 214 of 243 (276360)
01-06-2006 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by randman
01-06-2006 10:15 AM


Randman, provide links, and check them
You want me to respond to you, but you ignore posts like 149 on this thread, and then misrepresent me when you do respond.
When you reference a post, please do so as a link. It doesn't take much effort to type in [msg=-149] in place of the bare number, and that makes it for others to find the post.
Once you have it as a link, then check that link yourself.
You have twice mentioned Message 149, and you to be referring people to one of your own posts. However, Message 149 was posted by Percy, not by you.
What is it that you want people to look at?

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