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Message 31 of 78 (505912)
04-19-2009 11:58 PM
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04-18-2009 5:30 AM



paullesq wrote:

Evidence, well that is easy. If evolution did t have direction when broadened out, then cavemen would have understood it. Eh....?
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Larni wrote;

You think that is evidence?

You hold the position of a moron.

Think harder about what evidence is for Christ sake.

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Yeah, sure thing that is evidence. Bear in mind i am a man who believes that 'evolution' began with the big bang. Primal selection, natural selection, intelligent selection has direction, hypothesis theory law, again mirrors direction. Infant adolescent adult.
Direction. If you are looking at biological evolution alone, if you stand amoungst chaos that is all you are going to see.
EVIDENCE. Shall i make a make a mark in the sand, scrach my reply on parchement, jot it down with pen or tap it out on key pad.Professor Stephen Hawking has worked out that at the instant of the big bang the four fundamental forces were united. If that is indeed the case it occurs to me that the less options there are for type of interaction at the earliest moment of the universe, the more primitive inorganic Primal selection would have been.

At first glance my theory may seem like an atheist dream.

The serpent swallows its own tail.

Evolution has direction.

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Leni writes

What you are doing here doing off on being obscure and mysterious.

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If you can collect together, add up and divide, categorise then you can understand me.So simple, i collect together all inorganic types of interaction, all organic types of interaction [evolution], all human mental types of interaction and divide into types.
Collecting together and dividing.
Dissection is done logically.
Further i place into categories by use of new labels.

The process of Primordial evolution.
The process of Biological evolution.
The process of Human mental evolution.

The process of biological evolution is placed into context of its own evolution by such means.

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Im guilty of over using the word 'process' that is because i view the subject of biological evolution as an item. Im asking where does the 'item' of biological evolution come from. Experience has taught me that if the question is where does a complex phenomenon come from, then the answer may be found by looking for a primitive representation of the item itself.…

*The big bang a single beginning denotes a single process, that single process has moved through three punctuated phases. The three punctuated phases are themselves processes in their own right, they can also be counted as sub processes/chapters of the main single process.

If you have no preconceived prejudice to 'type' inorganic, organic, mind. Then you might be born again scientist.

Obscure and mysteries me.....nah.

smile.

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If you have three of a kind then it is i believe possible to gain insight by triangulation.
Striving.
Within the sphere of the evolution of the inorganic there is nothing that can conceivably be called striving taking place, after all it is just inorganic material falling together and interacting in outer space.
Within the sphere of intelligent evolution, science, mind, it is reasonable to conclude that we are all out striving for the answers to the most searching of questions.

From no striving at all to all out striving.

Conclusion.

A part of the laying down of our biological form is shaped by striving. No calve muscles on shin bones.

paul.

paul.

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Edited by paullesq, : Wot no free expression.Shame.

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Message 32 of 78 (505919)
04-20-2009 5:57 AM
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04-19-2009 11:58 PM


Is English your third language?

Well, if that's the best you can do you're done here; I know I am.


Jesus Saves! The rest of the party take full damage.

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Message 33 of 78 (505926)
04-20-2009 7:34 AM
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Quotes
Hi Paullesq,

In the interests of clear communication, please learn how to use dBCodes for quoting. Here's a link to the dBCode help page: DBcode Help

Please do not post any more quotes without using dBCodes.


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Message 34 of 78 (506233)
04-24-2009 6:55 AM
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Re: Quotes
If i make the extra effort to use the db codes on this fidgety lap top will you allow me to express myself freely with music and film.
This thread begings with a philosopical quote, there is science by way of natural selection and the subject of evolution, i use colour as a tool, art. More than a blind link my expression sir.Signitures can come in all shapes and forms. I May use music and film to drive a point or merely to show my mood. What say you?

paul.


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Message 35 of 78 (506330)
04-25-2009 9:45 AM
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Re: Quotes
paullesq writes:

If i make the extra effort to use the db codes on this fidgety lap top will you allow me to express myself freely with music and film.

Paul, pardon my French, but are you semiliterate, brain damaged or retarded? This is a dBCode, one that creates a link to your message:

[msg=34]

That's how simple they are. To quote text you put this at the beginning:

[qs]

And this at the end:

[/qs]

You can type dBCodes on any laptop, they're that simple.

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Message 36 of 78 (506376)
04-25-2009 5:50 PM
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04-07-2009 12:11 PM


Less poetry, more substance, paullesq.


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Message 37 of 78 (506385)
04-25-2009 9:35 PM


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Paul, pardon my French, but are you semiliterate, brain damaged or retarded?

France explained to the world (and vice versa).

Saturday, December 04, 2004
Pardon my French
The other day, I was chatting with American friends. Someone was speaking about her boss, and at some point, as you can imagine, a bad word materialized in the middle of the conversation. For the record, it was 'bitch'.

And what came immediatly after this? Well, yes, you are right, and the title probably helped: "Pardon my French".

But then, some folks realized I was French, and started apologizing. They thought this was very offensive to associate French with bad words, and some even went as far as expressing their disapproval for that expression.

That was one of these moments when I am left dizzy thinking of the extent of the gap between our cultures.

The fact is that French does have a lot of slang, and that we are proud of it. It seems to me that we are one of the most active language on that front, and one hint is the rate at which French slang becomes obsolete. If you go to France, don't throw in some of the French slang words you know if you learned them some 20 years ago, because you will sparkle some heavy laughter and get severly taunted in the current French slang.

Now, their is a huge cultural gap between American and French people as to what slang means and is used for.

In a nutshell: for Americans, slang is used by people to sound either cool or offensive. Most slang words are sexual in nature. The cornerstone word here is obviously 'fuck': a English to slang English dictionary would read: car = fucking car, nose = fucking nose, foot = fucking foot, boxer short = fucking boxer fucking short.

For French folks, slang is just a set of alternative words for every day, casual conversations. They are used by mostly everybody (and notably by our dear president), and yes, even by my mother, and if you have to know, even by my mother's mother (although the 20 year rule I mentioned implies that I am left mostly blank when she curses). And although we certainly have slang words for all sexual topics, as I guess any other language in the world does, French has the particularity of having slang words for virtually anything else -- and these words would not necessarly have an offensive implication. Sometimes they even sound cute, or just funny. By contrast, then, a French to French argot dictionary would read: car = bagnole, caisse, nose = pif, tarbouif, foot = panard, peton, boxer short = calbute.

And as a disclaimer, I would stamp this slang with a 'circa 1990' label. As for wine, don't trust French slang without a date label.

Slang is definitely an important part of the French language. My mother, for instance, is a slang encyclopedia on her own. From early morning, when she gets out of the pieu, till the evening in front of the téloche, the day with her is a continuous and charming display of a French you won't find in your language book. Being a teacher, it has always been a mystery, and quite frankly, a source of concern for me how she could switch back to textbook French twice a week in front of her students. But then again, we don't have that much slang for chemistry.

Growing up in such a vocabulary-wise diverse environment, I naturally caught up most of the slang. And that's were the cultural gap is: if asked, my mother would tell you she is proud of me.

I could not speak about French slang without mentionning particular one, the verlan, which stands for (à) l'envers (meaning 'backwards') when read... backwards. Indeed, the rule of this particular kind of slang is to speak words backwards, syllable-wise. So, Français (French) becomes Céfran, méchant ('mean', or 'cool') becomes chanmé, lourd becomes relou, etc. Sometimes, verlan holds on words that are already slang words, like keum, which is the verlan of mec which is the slang for 'guy'. I even heard people talking about feumeu, which turned out to the verlan for meuf... which is already the verlan for femme (woman)!

And of course, slang comes with different regional flavors. Marseilles is known for having quite a few slang words of their own, for instance.

At this point, and since you are a regular reader, you are now thinking: "Hey! Slang being so extensive and popular, that's certainly something that should piss the Académiciens off!".

U-hu. Don't underestimate a bunch of old folks with nothing better to do than reading teenage girl magazines. Plus, remember that before being old, everybody has been young once. Believe it or not, slang is actually listed and updated in the distinguished encyclopedia they edit. I told you slang is part of our language.

Personnally, I grew up with a copy of the Bouquets des expressions imagées in the living room, a book entirely dedicated to wild slang words and expressions through the ages (yes, that's about 1400 pages of fine prints), which probably made me the slang poet I am now. (You will find it amusing that the author of this book taught English as a living. I am convinced he wrote this book because of the same sense of frustration with English slang, and the esteem of French slang that consequently arose, as the one I am experiencing now).

So next time you curse, don't apologize. And if a "Pardon my French" inadvertently slips between your lips, I will consider that as a tribute to our ingenuity and creativity in that domain.

posted by frenchdude

Snip..................
Strange turn of phrase you have there sir,thought the above might interest you.


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Message 38 of 78 (506387)
04-25-2009 9:58 PM


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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.


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Out come the fruit cakes.

A firm foundation for a theory.

*The big bang a single beginning denotes a single process.

Bathe on the idea, wine and dine on it.

paul.


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Message 39 of 78 (506389)
04-25-2009 10:02 PM


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18 And we all live happily ever after.

  
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Message 40 of 78 (506400)
04-26-2009 1:30 AM
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04-25-2009 9:35 PM


Posted by American dude, what the fuck are you talking about?

Percy said "pardon my french" and you felt compelled to write a huge post about slang terms. Yet, when asked to clarify your comments in your posts, you give us poetry and nonsensical replies.

So, what the fuck, french dude?

Give us something as substantial, like what you wrote to Percy about slang, in reference to what you are talking about in your openning post, and those that followed.

Fine, you are not illiterate, you clarified that, now stop being vague about the other stuff - for fucks sake.

Edited by onifre, : added a few 'fucks' here and there...

Edited by onifre, : No reason given.


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Message 41 of 78 (506429)
04-26-2009 8:28 AM


paullesq writes:

The big bang a single beginning denotes a single process.

oni writes:

Yes, but this is a laymen interpretation of the Big Bang. In science the Big Bang does not represent a "beginning", it is just the moment of the cosmological expansion, but prior to that moment, the "universe" existed in another form. So no actual "starting point" can be claimed at the Big Bang.

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Here is my layman interpretation of 'cause and effect' to go with my layman interpretation of the big bang.

The reason i choose to start the theory, hold the measuring tape at the point of the bb is held within.

Cause and effect.

Cause and effect is a universal means of measuring, like a tape measure.

The 'and' in cause and effect is = to a variable portion of time.

Why variable?

The amount of time is dependant on the where from and the where too measurement is being made.

Cause and effect is all around you.

In all things science looks for the 'cause' that goes on to produce the 'effect'.

Further reading: Wikipedia the philosophical concept of causality.

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The reason i start the theory with the big bang is one of clarity, the firm foundation. Speculation about what existed before is all good and well, colliding branes, universes growing like bunches of grapes and such like. But lets face it already i move ahead of the game, if i should move too far ahead then the theory might be written off as fantasy. Hopefully i pitch my ideas just within the goldilocks zone of thinking.

paul.


  
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Message 42 of 78 (506440)
04-26-2009 9:20 AM


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Context = coherence.

The process of primordial evolution by means of primal selection. Red
The process of biological evolution by means of natural selection.Blue
The process of human mental evolution by intelligent selection. Yellow

The colours can be seen blending together so as to paint a picture, or they can be viewed seperatly naked on the pallete.

Perferctly rational and yet no comments.mmmmm

Red shift, blue planet and yellow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USL2ka6ODYA

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Message 43 of 78 (506445)
04-26-2009 10:02 AM


oni writes:

So, what the fuck, french dude?

Im not french. The explanation of 'excuse my french' was copied and pasted from the web.
The last few lines struck a chord with me.

frenchdude writes:

So next time you curse, don't apologise. And if a "Pardon my French" inadvertently slips between your lips, I will consider that as a tribute to our ingenuity and creativity in that domain.

posted by frenchdude

Im dyslexic with a mild form of autism, the magnitude of what i attempt to convey effects me.

I do not think like the mainstream, i guess that qualifies me as a mutation.

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Message 45 of 78 (506485)
04-26-2009 6:46 PM
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04-25-2009 9:58 PM


paullesq responds to me:

quote:
The big bang a single beginning denotes a single process.

But the Big Bang is not the end-all/be-all of cosmology. After it eneded, other processes took over.

You seem to be suggesting a return to a Newtonian visualization of the universe where if we just knew the position and momentum of every single particle in the universe, we could then predict everything that would ever happen.

Alas, quantum mechanics showed us that the universe doesn't work like that. Not only is it impossible to know the position and momentum of even one particle with sufficient accuracy (let alone all of the particles in the universe), but it is also the case that randomness affects its behaviour such that we cannot truly predict its behaviour in the future even if we could know the position and momentum.

quote:
Bathe on the idea, wine and dine on it.

Less poetry, more substance.


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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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