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paullesq 
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Message 46 of 78 (506531)
04-27-2009 9:30 AM



Rrhain writes:

But the Big Bang is not the end-all/be-all of cosmology. After it ended, other processes took over.

*Every spontaneous outpouring of energy as witnessed in nature dissipates to stagnation.

The big bang has not ended, its initial ferocity has slowed allowing more subtle interactions to take place. These other processes as you put it did not just magically appear from nowhere. The potential for all of them [everything] stem, branched out from what i tend to think of as the most common of ancestors. The big bang was both primitive and complex all at the same time.

Rain writes:

You seem to be suggesting a return to a Newtonian visualisation of the universe where if we just knew the position and momentum of every single particle in the universe, we could then predict everything that would ever happen.

The Newtonian visualisation of the universe does seem to make perfect sense. That is given the 'exact' same circumstances that lead up to observed result, then the result [effect] will be exactly the same.

Rain writes:

Alas, quantum mechanics showed us that the universe doesn't work like that. Not only is it impossible to know the position and momentum of even one particle with sufficient accuracy (let alone all of the particles in the universe), but it is also the case that randomness affects its behaviour such that we cannot truly predict its behaviour in the future even if we could know the position and momentum.

Randomness exsists in chaotic systems yes, but then i belive that out of chaos always comes the selected result. Or. Randomness is an illusion created by the inability to factor in all circumstances

paullesq writes:

Bathe on the idea, wine and dine on it.

The three [4] types of selection i outline seperate this universe from a quantum universe.

paul.

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Message 47 of 78 (506535)
04-27-2009 9:57 AM
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04-27-2009 9:30 AM


Are you a spiritual person Rrhain?
You picture would indicate so much.
Without prejudice to material is how i attempt to see the universe and evolution.
If the question of God arises then i will treat the subject in exactly the same way. I will not be writing you any love songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CJp947uv24

paul.

paul.

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Message 48 of 78 (506562)
04-27-2009 4:07 PM
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04-27-2009 9:57 AM


Sara Bareilles
If ever there was evidence of a merciful God Sara Bareilles just might be it. I love that woman.


Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

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Message 49 of 78 (506585)
04-27-2009 6:10 PM
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04-27-2009 4:07 PM


Re: Sara Bareilles
If ever there was evidence of a merciful God Sara Bareilles just might be it. I love that woman.

I actually despise that song and want to stab myself in the ear whenever I hear it on the radio (why I occasionally still listen to modern Top 40 Radio is beyond me), but meh. Each to his own.


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Message 50 of 78 (506587)
04-27-2009 6:16 PM
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Re: Sara Bareilles
Song… what song? There's a song? Try mixing up some hormones in the test tube and beaker your holding.


Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

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Message 51 of 78 (506592)
04-27-2009 6:55 PM


lyx2no writes:

Song… what song? There's a song? Try mixing up some hormones in the test tube and beaker your holding.

Do you think that the members of this forum are mature enough to allow me to express myself freely.
It is no big deal really is it, i mean nobody is forced to click on the link, you don't like a film clip, a song then you turn it off. Simple as. I have debated on quite a few forums in the past, these were closed recently when aol changed tack, i expressed myself openly, never, not once did the music/film detract from the debate.

paul.


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Message 52 of 78 (506599)
04-27-2009 7:18 PM
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As long as you're doing the best you can to address the topic and get your points across, it'll be fine.


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Message 53 of 78 (506600)
04-27-2009 7:18 PM
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04-27-2009 6:55 PM


Express Away
Do you think that the members of this forum are mature enough to allow me to express myself freely.
I'm 14… there's only so much I can do. Please, how does one think bigger and better?

Hey, RDK. I went back and checked… there was a song. But I bet you didn't know that brea… I mean, women… had heads.


Genesis 2
17 But of the ponderosa pine, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou shinniest thereof thou shalt sorely learn of thy nakedness.
18 And we all live happily ever after.

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Message 54 of 78 (506777)
04-29-2009 12:10 AM
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04-27-2009 7:18 PM


Re: Express Away
Hey, RDK. I went back and checked… there was a song. But I bet you didn't know that brea… I mean, women… had heads.

That's just silly. You need to think out of the box. Challenge yourself. Rise above modern standards.

Everybody knows women don't have heads.

But then again, mine is not to demolish your undertanding of anatomy and physiology, [wipes nose on sleeve] mine is to build upon it.

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Message 55 of 78 (507370)
05-04-2009 10:48 AM


Larni writes:

A mental wa*k is perfect example of what you are doing here; getting off on being obscure and mysterious.

Having a wan* poor boy, whatever happened to the good old notion of making love.

You did not like the sexual undertones of :

The regression of biological evolution back to the big bang and forth to gain the exploded view.
[Exploded view means that Everything evolves.]
..............................

Try this then.

For all intent and purposes you, science has drawn itself a hard line around what counts for, stands as 'evolution' as you understand it.
So.
Draw a blue circle and place everything you know about Darwinian evolution and biological evolution in to it.
You have the one type of selection, 'Natural' selection in your understanding of evolution.

You see, I got me another two types of evolution, that means an additional two types of selection.
Primal and intelligent... They do not fit with your understanding of evolution.
You will not let them enter the atom of your understanding.
If you did then you would see that everything evolves.
Again an exploded view.

paul.


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Message 56 of 78 (507372)
05-04-2009 11:06 AM
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05-04-2009 10:48 AM


A passing fancy.
No such thing as a selfish gene.
Group selection takes place outside of our biology in a different sphere of evolution.
Granted, intelligent selection stems from the brain but to assert that mankind's group selection takes place within our biology is the same as saying that the radio is the music.

paul.


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Message 57 of 78 (507374)
05-04-2009 11:34 AM
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05-04-2009 10:48 AM


You should thoroughly define "Primal" and "Intelligent" evolution before attempting to discuss such things. It is very helpful if those attempting to respond are on the same page with what you are thinking. If, on the other hand, you don't have a good enough grasp of what those things are to adequately explain them you should consider that you may simply be spouting nonsense that only holds meaning to yourself.

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Message 58 of 78 (507434)
05-05-2009 5:50 AM


Phage writes:

You should thoroughly define "Primal" and "Intelligent" evolution before attempting to discuss such things. It is very helpful if those attempting to respond are on the same page with what you are thinking. If, on the other hand, you don't have a good enough grasp of what those things are to adequately explain them you should consider that you may simply be spouting nonsense that only holds meaning to yourself.

Hello.
It is a train of thought i have, tracks for trains *statements for thinking. The statements are emphasised with the elevated star * symbol. The theory is built around this key statement.

*The big bang a single beginning denotes a single process.

Although there are alternatives to the single beginning single process concept, to follow the theory one must accept the most basic premise [key statement] as a possible truth.

There are two main questions that i ask myself and the theory has been constructed to answer both of them.
How is it that i came to exsist, and where does the potential for biological evolution come from.
The questions are my motive, and to answer them i attempt to place the process of biological evolution into context of its own evolution by using the Darwinian frame. Modification descent by means of selection.
New terms/ labels are difficult to accept so i keep this down to a minimum.

Hopefully this gives you some insight into my thinking. Do you understand me so far?
If you do then i will go on to explain the meaning of intelligent selection.


  
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Message 59 of 78 (507436)
05-05-2009 6:26 AM


Larni writes:

Is English your third language?
Well, if that's the best you can do you're done here; I know I am.

Toodaloo, don't forget to write.

paul.


  
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Message 60 of 78 (507440)
05-05-2009 6:41 AM


liketoknow writes:

I'm 14… there's only so much I can do. Please, how does one think bigger and better?

Ask yourself the biggest questions, take a bath have a soak and try to visualise the answer to the questions.

paul.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hQMPclXx_Q


  
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