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Author Topic:   Psuedogenes are good for Creationism!
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Message 3 of 33 (100684)
04-18-2004 2:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Raymon
04-18-2004 12:03 AM


Does this hypothesis have any other evidence besides biblical accounts?
Also, even if we assume that the flood happened 5 thousand years ago, there would still be not nearly enough time for such genetic diversity to occur within individual species. In other words, all the different species of tarantulas could not have arisen from 2 individual tarantulas in such a short time.
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Message 8 of 33 (100778)
04-18-2004 9:41 PM
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04-18-2004 9:34 PM


wj writes:
Hmmmm. According to Raymon's logic, howlers and spider monkeys having functional genes rather than pseudogenes and therefore should have longer lives than humans. But I don't think this is the case.
Exactly! Humans have the longest lifespan among mammals on this Earth.

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Message 11 of 33 (100970)
04-19-2004 4:12 PM
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Loudmouth writes:
This is only due to our technology. Strip this away and I am sure there are some larger mammals, such as whales or elephants, that would outlive us. Only 200 years ago the average life expectancy was almost half of what it is today. Without methodological naturalism it might still be around 45 years.
I don't think so. Even domesticated elephants, which is probably the mammal that has the 2nd longest life span, can't live anywhere near as long as humans. It's not just the average life expectancy. It's how long can something possibly live, and as far as I know humans are the only mammal that can live up to 100 years or so.

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Message 30 of 33 (102858)
04-26-2004 4:50 PM
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04-19-2004 5:03 PM


Re: Doesn't smell right.
Raymon writes:
Saying humans are the best at anything always strikes me as fishy. (Except for language, abstract reasoning, etc) After all, with humans we have a sample size of 6 billion individuals and we have a much better idea of when people were born. These two facts alone mean that we know the upper bound of our age with high percision. We have no such advantages when trying to determine the longest lifespan of other mammals. Add to that the fact that our technology is aimed at helping people live the longest. With domesticated animals our tech is aimed at getting the most use out of them.
But these objections are based purely on theoretical ground. If you actually know of research that's looked into this, I'll of course bow to the evidence.
We have kept many many many animal in captivity for a long time. We have thousands upon thousands of biologists working around the world observing animal in their natural habitats. So far, not a single biologist have observed any mammal that could live as long as humans.
No, there is no single experiment that can show this. This conclusion was drawn out after centuries of observations of other animal species. Until someone actually find any mammal [edited from "animal" to "mammal"] out there that can live longer than human beings...
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Message 31 of 33 (102859)
04-26-2004 4:53 PM
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04-21-2004 3:31 AM


Re: spiders
desdamona writes:
so you are saying that only two kinds of taratulas entered the ark?
Wow,I did not know you could be there.
learning new stuff all the time.
If you could ever find faith in God,maybe some of your
questions would be answered?
It's worth a try.
So which science teachers are telling the truth and which ones,
are liars?
I am an invert hobbyist. That means that I collect tarantulas and scorpions. In other words, I know a lot of these stuff.
There are currently over 2,000 different tarantula species that we know of, let alone the ones that we do not know exist. I happen to know first hand that it is the hardest thing to take care of 20 tarantulas so that they don't die. I really can't imagine anyone being able to care for 4,000 individual tarantulas for 40 days. Some species are just too sensitive to stay alive that long.

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Message 33 of 33 (102866)
04-26-2004 5:06 PM
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04-26-2004 5:03 PM


Re: Doesn't smell right.
Loudmouth writes:
As far as being the best, we are still at the mercy of microorganisms.
Nowhere have I said that we are the best. About the living longest thing, I said among mammals. Read my previous posts again, I said we live the longest among mammals. Bacteria are not considered mammals. Heck, they're not even considered animal.

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