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bkwusa
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Message 50 of 116 (5022)
02-18-2002 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by quicksink
02-15-2002 4:22 AM


quote:
Originally posted by quicksink:
Creaitonism is schools is a direct violation of the constitution.
need i say more?
let's start a discussion. I'd like to hear from someone who DOES NOT believe that it is not a violation...
thank you

hmmm i am a chritian... i do not belive in evolution... therefore if you teach one but not the other you have disfranchised my belive which is protected by the constitution...
teach bothe or noe!

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bkwusa
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Message 52 of 116 (5024)
02-18-2002 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by lbhandli
02-18-2002 10:22 PM


i'm not saying creationism is a science... especially scince i have never read a article about what exactly crationism states... i do not belive the earth is 6000 years old... if you read the bible you shuld know that god's time is totaly diffrent from ours... meaning the first six days that earth was created in could be 6 hourse or 6 billion years... only god knows that. but what i do know is that i do not belive in evolution as it is being thought. i am currently taking a class in geology about evolution of the earth... but they asume for any of there throrys to work that the earth always has to function now as in tommorow and yesterday... how do we know that earth dose that? maybe it did... but what if it didn't? how do we know that a half life is always going at the same rate of exponential decay as it is going right now? how do we know there wasn't a sudden change? if you stop questioning facts you retire from science... some famouse person sayed that... in science your suppose to be open minded... maybe evolution is true , maybe it's NOT. but from what i'm reading both sides on this discussion boared are dogmatic about this subject...
and what i was trying to say in my original post was that if you teach somethink in school that is against my religion no matter what it is even if it is evolution... it still would be disenfranchising my rights... same way if creationism were thought in school it would disenfranchise your rights

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bkwusa
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Message 56 of 116 (5032)
02-18-2002 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by lbhandli
02-18-2002 10:48 PM


quote:
Originally posted by lbhandli:
What right is that exactly? The only right in relation to religion is that the government will not establish a religion. This means governments will not promote a particular religion or sect. Creationism is nothing but a religious belief by conservative Protestants and therefore not to be taught by the state except in relation to comparative religion classes.
Evolution is a scientific theory. There is nothing in the Constitution that requires the state to not teach anything that people find contrary to their personal beliefs. Teaching science as a field isn't for the purpose of indoctrination, but education. Science education has a purpose entirely separate from promoting a particular faith and therefore your complaint is irrelevant from a Constitutional point of view and from a basic issue of fairness.
If you want to claim we shouldn't teach science, you can attempt that argument, but I doubt it will be successful.

ummm first amendment of the constitution: "Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or....."
it all depends on how you interpert these few words...
evolution is a scientific theory... so was neptunism at it's time... so was cathastrophianism...
i know i know the last two were proven wrong beyond a doubth... but how do we know evolution won't be proven worng?
also... in science you don't attempt to prove anythink correct... you try to disporve somethink and untill somone dose it is accepted to be correct...
and oh yeah could you refer me to a article about half life's always being the same because i am realy interedted in that...

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