The very beginning

What's shameful is those who hoard knowledge instead of sharing it. Although generally they're just covering ignorance.

Not buying it.
You cannot show whence came that very first ingredient.
I don't mind spontaneous combustion, but it must have fuel to combust.
Give me the origin of the first ingredient.

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So - What evidence do you have that the universe didn't exist at some point, or that God's existence preceded that of the universe? The interpretation of Genesis I choose to follow states that something else created God, so simply saying "the Bible says so" doesn't work here.

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There is no evidence for either side. And the Christian side should not claim any, since its system is based on faith of the things one cannot see.

Why, Ned! I believe you are angry.
You still haven't told me where that first speck came from, and you should be able to do so since you base so much theory on it 'having arrived'.

Your error is presuming that cause and effect trancends time; when it's obvious that it cannot.

show it

I refer you to message #15.

I would have thought it obvious; but the way we determine which is the cause and which is the effect is via their sequence in time; therefore causality is a relationship which cannot exist out of time, seeing as how it's so intimately bound up in it.There's no cause and effect outside of time. If the origin of the universe is outside of time then it must be without cause.

Thank you.

Thank you. It most certainly must be.
Very kind.