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Author Topic:   An Open Letter to my Secular Humanist Colleagues
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Message 8 of 47 (406075)
06-16-2007 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Grizz
06-16-2007 12:26 PM


Re-Orthodoxy
Hi Grizz,
I can not speak to the Secular Humanist movement.
I would describe myself as a non-conformist. I have always been skeptical of orthodoxy and always question my deeply held views as well as those of others. Over the past couple of years I have found myself growing increasingly disenchanted with the Secular Humanist movement.
But I have the same feeling about the Christian movement.
Let me change this quote to fit my situation.
I would describe myself as a non-conformist. I have always been skeptical of orthodoxy and always question my deeply held views as well as those of others. Over the past 40 years I have found myself growing increasingly disenchanted with the Christian movement.
It seems church has become big business, and is operated as such.
They have left off teaching of The Love of God, and love thy neighbor as thyself, and instead have started teaching the commandments of men.
Enjoy

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 10 of 47 (406077)
06-16-2007 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by crashfrog
06-16-2007 6:09 PM


Re-feeling
Nobody who believes in God does so except because they have a feeling that they should.
Frog this is exactly what Grizz is talking about. You seem to be able to read everybody's mind and then make assertions that what you believe to be true is actual fact.
Would you care to back up this assertion with some facts or evidence.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 15 of 47 (406103)
06-16-2007 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by crashfrog
06-16-2007 7:17 PM


Re: Re-feeling
Ultimately every single believer will tell you one of the same two stories - either they believe now as they always have, and the thought of unbelief is something they can't countenance; or they were intellectually unimpressed by the arguments of faith until, one day, they just had a feeling it was true.
Not every single believer.
I will tell you I read the Bible 1 and 2/3 times (I was in the book of Romans the second time) when I came to some conclusions. I was not raised in church. My dad was not a believer, my mom was nowhere to be found.
I came to those conclusions because of what I read, not what I was told, not because I had a feeling.
I believed the Genesis account of creation 57 years ago and still do today. If you want to prove what I believe is wrong about what Genesis says, feel free to do so.
I believe the Universe declares God.
I believe the fulfilled prophesies. declares God.
I believe some facts declare God.
....Science discovered that life was in the blood some 360 year ago. That was after the KJV bible. But the Greek Septuagint had Leviticus 17:10-14 years before the time of Christ. These verses tell us that life is in the blood.
God tells me where the universe came from, where I came from and why I am here.
Science tells me "We don't know where the singularity came from, or why".
Science tells me "We don't know where life came from or why".
We just know these things happened we are here.
Therefore I choose to believe God's version rather than science.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 37 of 47 (406194)
06-17-2007 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by crashfrog
06-17-2007 1:03 AM


Re: Re-feeling
You believe now what you've always believed. Like I said.
I was born more that 57 years ago so that is not what I have always believed.
That is what I have always believe since I came to the conclusions that it was correct.
Care to show me where what Genesis says is incorrect?
Or would you just rather preach what you believe.
You sound like you have joined the church of evolutionism and got religion.
Enjoy

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 38 of 47 (406195)
06-17-2007 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by mark24
06-17-2007 6:17 AM


Re: Re-feeling
Hi mark,
You believe everything you read? No, of course you don't, you had an irrational "feeling" based upon the faulty logic of your previous post. It must have been a feeling, because it wasn't based on evidence.
I believe I stated I believed the Genesis account. I look at Genesis account of creation as evidence apparantly you do not. Would you like to come over and show me where Genesis does not say what I say it says. http://EvC Forum: The Literal Genesis Account of Creation -->EvC Forum: The Literal Genesis Account of Creation
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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 41 of 47 (406210)
06-17-2007 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by mark24
06-17-2007 5:47 PM


Re: Re-feeling
Evidence is any data that supports a theory, so what data supports the Genesis hypothesis? Absolutely none, in fact the data contradicts it, not supports it.
I believe the evidence supports the Genesis account of creation.
My invitation still stands. We are dragging this thread off topic.
EvC Forum: The Literal Genesis Account of Creation

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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