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anglagard
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Message 61 of 100 (444336)
12-28-2007 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Aquilegia753
12-28-2007 10:10 PM


Re: European Pottery between 6500 and 6000 years ago.
Aquilegia753 writes:

Well, if the strata were laid down quickly (which has some solid evidence*) during the Flood, then the dating is off and what you think to be even 'millions and millions of years' ago could be, simply, a few thousand (ten at most, which also has strong supporting evidence**)

*The layers are parallel, where if they were formed over 'millions of years', erosion would have made their edges crazy and non-parallel.

**To be explained later

This thread is about the world and environment 5767 years ago, it is not about your unsupported assertions concerning the overall age of the earth. If you want to argue for a young earth/universe, then create a PNT with what you think is the best evidence for your position.

Edited by anglagard, : bit o' gramer


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon

The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza


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Aquilegia753
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Message 62 of 100 (444337)
12-28-2007 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by jar
12-28-2007 10:21 PM


Re: European Pottery between 6500 and 6000 years ago.
"There is no evidence of a world-wide flood, ever. Period."

Okay. First, how in the world (literally) could the theory of a worldwide flood (with only one family surviving by the gods (or God) telling them to build a boat) spread from China to Mesopotamia to North America during the early days? They hardly had boats, let alone the ability to cross such wide distances as the Atlantic ocean, where there is no 'Bering Strait' to cross by. Even if they did, there would be no way to communicate their ideas between the differant languages. This implies that the source had to be true.

Second, the sedimentary layers. They're too uniform, like I've said before. If they were old, one would find erosion, like you see on the earth today. Was there no rain or rivers or wind to erode these layers? If not, could life have existed to fill these layers with fossils? Or, were they laied down quickly under water? Again, a flood.

Third, coal in Antarctica. Sure, Antarctica might have been tropical millions of years ago, but when the coal was supposedly being formed (like, growing, dying, getting buried, etc.), Antarctica was (at the present rate of drifting) in the arctic! No plants could have formed coal. Therefore, they must have been carried from more temperate regions, and because wind can't lift trees or plants to transport them thousands or even hundreds of miles, water had to do it while covering the entire earth.


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Message 63 of 100 (444338)
12-28-2007 10:36 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Aquilegia753
12-28-2007 10:35 PM


Re: European Pottery between 6500 and 6000 years ago.
Take such nonsense to some flood thread.


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Aquilegia753
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Message 64 of 100 (444339)
12-28-2007 10:38 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by anglagard
12-28-2007 10:26 PM


Re: European Pottery between 6500 and 6000 years ago.
"This thread is about the world and environment 5767 years ago"

Yes, I totally agree with you. If you'll follow the train of thought between me and (I think it was jar), you'll see that I was disproving his dates of 6,000 years and 30,000 years by attacking his/her presumed dating tecnique. Therefore, my argument was in context.


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Aquilegia753
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Message 65 of 100 (444340)
12-28-2007 10:40 PM
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12-28-2007 10:36 PM


Re: European Pottery between 6500 and 6000 years ago.
"Take such nonsense to some flood thread."

Please, I'd like to hear how my three arguments are 'nonesense'.


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jar
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Message 66 of 100 (444341)
12-28-2007 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Aquilegia753
12-28-2007 10:40 PM


take it to a flood thread.
Take such nonsense to some flood thread.


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Message 67 of 100 (444342)
12-28-2007 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by jar
12-28-2007 10:45 PM


Re: take it to a flood thread.
Are you too afraid to answer me? It seems that now that I've been having some good arguments, people have been pushing me to differant threads. Jar, are you afraid that I might actually be making sense and supporting what you don't believe with some evidence that makes quite a bit of sense? Is that why you don't reply? Hmmm?

By the way, I've remembered some for the '**To be explained later'.
1. If oil is trapped in porous rock, then it seems that by the great pressure of the oil, some of it would have escaped into other regions, lowering the pressure. But this pressure is high, indicating that the oils were trapped quickly and have not had time to de-pressurize.

2. Small, icy comets are streaking through the earth's atmosphere at around two per second. By the average size of these, they should add 5 million gallons per comet. At that rate, the oceans would be much fuller than they are now, even at a fraction of the earth's suspected age. However, the later you go, the more comets and asteroids there would be from leftovers of the solar system's creation, so the rate would be even higher.


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jar
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Message 68 of 100 (444343)
12-28-2007 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Aquilegia753
12-28-2007 10:55 PM


Re: take it to a flood thread.
So far all you have presented are PRATTs (Points Refuted a Thousand Times).

Take them to the proper threads.

Jar, are you afraid that I might actually be making sense and supporting what you don't believe with some evidence that makes quite a bit of sense?

Hardly.


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Aquilegia753
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Message 69 of 100 (444344)
12-28-2007 11:01 PM
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12-28-2007 10:58 PM


Re: take it to a flood thread.
If they've been PRATT'd, then they should be easy for you to 'refute' again. So try me.
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anglagard
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Message 70 of 100 (444345)
12-28-2007 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Aquilegia753
12-28-2007 10:55 PM


Re: take it to a flood thread.
You are simply polluting this thread with a bunch of off-topic PRATTS and unsupported assertions in an attempt to perform a Gish Gallop.

Pick any one of your assertions and make a PNT, if you have the courage of your convictions.


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon

The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza


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Aquilegia753
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Message 71 of 100 (444346)
12-28-2007 11:07 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by anglagard
12-28-2007 11:02 PM


Re: take it to a flood thread.
Read what I wrote to jar. Ever since I came here, all of my arguments have been PRATTed, but none have actually told me any counter-evidence. So, if they've been PRATTed, then it should be common knowledge and easy for you to 'vomit' it back up to me so I can know how they've been PRATTed. But since nobody does, I feel that 'PRATT' has been a term for 'This is a good support to his ideas, but I don't want to deal with them so maybe this will make him go away'. Please, give me counter-evidence.
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anglagard
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Message 72 of 100 (444357)
12-29-2007 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Aquilegia753
12-28-2007 11:07 PM


Re: take it to a flood thread.
Gallop this Gish ;):

Message 2

Pick one and we'll talk, but not in this thread as per forum rules.

ABE - Pick any single one of your assertions you have made so far or choose anything from the above. Post a PNT, or if you don't know how or are too lazy, let me know and I will either post it for you or try to find the currently open thread that already addresses the issue.

Examples of such currently open threads addressing your assertions include Message 1 or Message 1

Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.

Edited by anglagard, : links to currently open threads


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon

The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza


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obvious Child
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Message 73 of 100 (444367)
12-29-2007 2:18 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Aquilegia753
12-28-2007 9:59 PM


I love arguments like these.

Could you care to explain how every single slow moving 50 ton mammoth managed to survive longer and sink slower then millions of 0.5 oz hardy primitive sea snails?

Furthermore could you also explain how slightly complex organisms managed to survive a bit longer then their primitive counterparts in the billions?

Every single slightly less advance shellfish died RIGHT before every single slightly more advanced shellfish? And remember that these shellfish numbered in the billions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_mechanics

Take a look.

I'd love to see your take on how millions of Coelophysis were outrun by every giant ground sloth.

Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given.


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Message 74 of 100 (444847)
12-31-2007 4:44 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Aquilegia753
12-28-2007 10:35 PM


Re: European Pottery between 6500 and 6000 years ago.
quote:
Okay. First, how in the world (literally) could the theory of a worldwide flood (with only one family surviving by the gods (or God) telling them to build a boat) spread from China to Mesopotamia to North America during the early days?

That argument would help [b][u]if it wasn't a complete and utter lie.[/u][/b]

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG202_2.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CG/CG201.html

quote:
Second, the sedimentary layers. They're too uniform, like I've said before. If they were old, one would find erosion, like you see on the earth today.Was there no rain or rivers or wind to erode these layers? If not, could life have existed to fill these layers with fossils? Or, were they laied down quickly under water? Again, a flood.

this doesn't even make any sense. Are you stating there are no signs of erosion? How do you think the grand canyon was formed?

quote:
Antarctica was (at the present rate of drifting) in the arctic!

You assume no obstacles in its path and you assume that coal takes a long time to form.

Why is that you ask us to address your arguments yet you refuse to address arguments against the flood?


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Aquilegia753
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Message 75 of 100 (445057)
01-01-2008 1:34 AM
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12-31-2007 4:44 AM


Re: European Pottery between 6500 and 6000 years ago.
If you'll notice in the second one, they say that there are more myths about snakes than about floods, but that doesn't mean that there was a huge snake encircling the earth. Well, I'm ninety-nine percent sure that none of those myths relate to a giant snake encircling the earth, whereas the flood stories do. And, maybe yes, the Chinese version may have been brought by Americans, but who told the original Native Americans living in the North West before the white men came?
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