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Asgara
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Message 108 of 148 (106054)
05-06-2004 8:09 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by jt
05-06-2004 7:29 PM


Re: Transitional
Hi JT, I don't mean to jump into your conversation with the others but I wanted to bring up an issue with your post. You start at one side of an evolutionary journey (gorilla) and end up at another side (human) and claim that the differences are too much. You have to look at the claimed transitionals, at the possible evolutionary ancestors of these two sides to see if a comparison can be made.
To paraphrase the frog, it's like looking at NYC and LA and claiming that you can't get from one to the other because the distance is too great. You fail to see the many other cities, towns, villages, and roads along the way that lead you between the two.
Maybe in your discussions with the others, you could remember that it isn't the difference between a gorilla and a human...but the differences between any number of fossils that go back closer and closer to the split between the two.
http://www.scientific-art.com/...ontology%20pages/skulls.htm
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And the ever famous (around here anyway)...

Asgara
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Asgara
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Message 114 of 148 (106074)
05-06-2004 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by jt
05-06-2004 8:23 PM


Re: Transitional
This is only my opinion of course, but I think that there would be greater differences between just the domesticated dog breeds than between human and the other great apes.
All Puppy Breeds – American Kennel Club
Why is the wide variety here seen as one kind and the variety seen in the human/ape/hominid group NOT seen as one kind?

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Asgara
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Message 122 of 148 (106103)
05-06-2004 10:27 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Coragyps
05-06-2004 10:20 PM


Re: Transitional
Yes Coragyps, the corgi is often born without a tail.
Corgis also show a mutation that has become fixed in the breed. They are not just short little cuties, they are achondroplasic. It would have been a birth defect originally. Breeders would have seen the possible benefits to a shorter herding dog and bred it into the breed.
{edited to add the "a" at the beginning of achondroplasic.}
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