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Buzsaw
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Message 16 of 21 (34537)
03-16-2003 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by pingu~
03-16-2003 9:20 PM


quote:

Domestic violence? Bloody warmongering? Would my personal freedom as a young woman in the year 1000, 1500, or 1900 have been greater or lesser than it is today?

1. Far more domestic violence according to stats.
2. More frequency of wars today.
3. On women, imo, the question should be "are women more content/better off then than now? I think so, because they were for the most part keepers at home an happy without the pressures raising the children to be good citizens and to love and respect their parents in later life. As far as authority in the home, men were kinder to women than now, over all, respected and loved them more because women were more willing to leave the leadership role to the man so as not to have 2 presidents of equal authority. That wouldn't work in business, government, club or church and it doesn't work in the home. Also women were women, that is more feminine acting and loveable, imo.

My apologies, but not being retired and lots to do, my time responding is limited, but will do what I can. I hope you understand.

[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 03-16-2003]


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Coragyps
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Message 17 of 21 (34538)
03-17-2003 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Buzsaw
03-16-2003 11:53 PM


Buzsaw, are you by any chance a Neanderthal?

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pingu~
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Message 18 of 21 (34549)
03-17-2003 3:51 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Buzsaw
03-16-2003 11:53 PM


quote:
1. Far more domestic violence according to stats.

Which stats? How far back do the stats go? What about the times for which we have no stats? How can we know what the level of domestic violence was then?

quote:
2. More frequency of wars today.

Well, we have not defined "today" so I don't know what timeframe you mean, but I find it hard to believe that more people are suffering and dying because of war than ever before. Humans have always warred - and frequently by order of God.

quote:
3. On women, imo, the question should be "are women more content/better off then than now? I think so, because they were for the most part keepers at home an happy without the pressures raising the children to be good citizens and to love and respect their parents in later life.

You started well - contentment is a good indicator of the wellbeing of society. You seem to have an idealised view of what life for women was like, however, but I'm not going to give you a history lesson. I do ask you to show how logic and common sense are served by a society that denies women education and choice.

The "without the pressures" thing... Oops. Credibility slipping... slipping...

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As far as authority in the home, men were kinder to women than now, over all, respected and loved them more because women were more willing to leave the leadership role to the man so as not to have 2 presidents of equal authority. That wouldn't work in business, government, club or church and it doesn't work in the home.

Men were NOT kinder to women. They loved and respected them LESS.

See, I can make assertions too! What proof do you have? And why do you think this alleged lack of kindness, love and respect is due to an over-educated society?

Eek!... credibility slipping further... the home is analagous to a government or church or club? That's news to me.

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Also women were women, that is more feminine acting and loveable, imo.

Personal opinion, to which you're entitled, but not relevant to whether or not social problems have increased due to too much education.

quote:
My apologies, but not being retired and lots to do, my time responding is limited, but will do what I can. I hope you understand.

Till next time. I would like to hear your opinion on whether you think advances in science and medicine have brought us benefits, or are simply another cause of increased social problems than we previously had. I'd also like to know whether you think the scientific method, as a means of describing the universe, is bringing us closer to the truth of what the universe is.


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Message 19 of 21 (34552)
03-17-2003 5:26 AM
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03-17-2003 3:51 AM


Another important question is whether the stats on domestic violence represent occurrences or complaints. If the complaints have gone up it could well be a sign that domestic violence has become less acceptable - and could even be decreasing as a result.

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pingu~
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Message 20 of 21 (34558)
03-17-2003 9:03 AM
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03-17-2003 5:26 AM


quote:
Another important question is whether the stats on domestic violence represent occurrences or complaints. If the complaints have gone up it could well be a sign that domestic violence has become less acceptable - and could even be decreasing as a result.

Agreed - same goes for rape, which is certainly reported more often than it was 50, 100, 300 years ago. Due in no small part to the empowerment of women, I might add.


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Peter
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Message 21 of 21 (34755)
03-20-2003 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by pingu~
03-09-2003 6:14 PM


Re: My point
Communication is about much more than spelling and grammar.

These are mere syntax.

There has only been 'formal' spelling for around 150 years in
the English language, in any case, and grammar rules are somewhat
more recent.

If your ability to communicate is limited by the way in which
the intended information is conveyed, I would rather question
your ability to comprehend.


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