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Hi Percy, I would rephrase the statement like this:"Why do some people feel the need to put down other people." It does not make any difference if they agree with them or not.Larni would probably be the best one to answer this question.But I will try to approach it from a Biblical viewpoint.In the garden man chose to be his own God knowing what was good and evil.From that time until this man does not want anyone telling him what to do he is his own God so he makes his own decisions.Therefore he must be better than anyone else.To make sure of this position he has developed humiliation.Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.Therefore putting someone else down raises his own self worth in his mind.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, I don't claim to be a Christian.The disciples where first called Christians at Antioch because they were living a life like Christ.I am far from that.I am just satisfied to be a born again child of the King.I am just a sinner saved by grace. If anybody else is saved they are a sinner saved by grace.Neither of us deserve it.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, Straggler I know about no one but myself. I have been married to my wife for almost 52 years and I don't know if she is saved or not.What I think does not matter anyway.What a person does when they come to the realization there is a God and they need a saviour determines whether they are saved or not. What I believe or think has nothing to do with the results. Anything is possible. "All things are possible with God." Matthew 19:26I am delusional enough (according to many) to believe that God loved me and will save me.I also believe if He can save me He can save anybody.But you did not mention which scientific conclusions.If one comes to the conclusion there is no God or that they do not need God, then I would have to say no.To be saved a person has to believe that God Is.They must also see their need of salvation and then receive the free full pardon offered by God.That is all that a person must do to be saved.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, But when you ask questions I can't preach.Do I explicitly associate theories like BB and evolution with atheism?No.I would be in trouble if I did. I am a farm boy so I know things change over time and can be manipulated to improve stock.I also believe the universe has been stretched out.As well as the land mass being spread out from one place. There are many people who believe in both and still believe in God.Do I think that those who advocate such theories are either actually atheists or have been brainwashed into believing "atheistic" falsehoods?Neither.The question I would ask me.Do I believe those who do not believe in God has been deceived by the devil?Yes.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi rbp, No.But he has distorted it.Evolution is a fact. Things change over time.Just not as much as some people believe.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, That is jumping to conclusions.I do not explicitly associate theories like BB and evolution with atheism?There are many people who believe in God and the BB theory.There are many people who believe in God and the ToE.So I would be a fool to equate BB, and Toe with atheism.I do not believe those who accept the BB theory and ToE are brainwashed. I do believe they are deceived by the devil. The devil never takes a lie and tries to get people to believe it. He takes half truths and puts his spin on it to get people to believe his story. Just as in the garden.But that does not mean that I believe that the BB theory and ToE is compatible with the Biblical account either.The standard theory has many problems. I tried to get a discussion on those problems and was eventually banned from the BB and Cosmology Topic.I presented problems that noted scientist had put forth concerning the standard theory.cavediver was the only poster that addressed those problems and his answer was that inflation solved those problems.I asked which hypothesis of the inflation theory solved those problems and he said any one. But the problem is there are many problems with the inflation hypothesis. None has been accepted as to the point of a theory or consensus.So we have a standard model that has problems that are solved by a hypothesis that some say can never be substantiated.There is no source for the universe other than hypothesis.Yet it is presented as a fact.The ToE is presented as a fact when transmutation has never been observed or reproduced and can not be.We have a 66 million year history of a creature without any pages missing in the book. During which time there was 330 different species started.But at the end of 66 million years they were the same kind of creature.So yes I believe many have been deceived into believing these half truths are facts and have accepted by faith that it happened the way they believe it happened.That is why I so stubbornly and relentlessly oppose these theories?I believe just as strongly that the case has not been made for the naturalist theory as you and others here believe the case has not been made for God.This battle has been going on for close to 6,000 years and will continue until the end of time as we know it. Probably because of what the gods of the theories say.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, You don't know much about the devil do you?The devil does not care if you believe in God.The devil does not care if you are religious in fact he encourages it.The devil does not care if you join a church and get involved in all the church activities.But there are two things the devil does not want you to do.1) Read a good Bible. (because faith cometh by hearing the word).2) He does not want man to see his need of salvation to the point he puts the eternal destiny of his spirit in Gods hands.The devil will do everything in his power to keep this from happening and if he fails he will spend the rest of that person's life trying to convince them not to serve the Lord as master but to serve him. I view them as the devils attempt to win his war with God.The devil knows his fate and desires to exalt himself by having more people refuse to accept God's offer than people choosing to accept the free full pardon offered by God.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

`Hi Straggler, The devil does not have the authority to deny salvation, just as God does not take the authority to force salvation.If either was allowed to do that then man's free will would be negated.Man makes his own choice concerning salvation.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi oni, Sure I do. All scientist? NOScience is a great and necessary work that God gave man the knowledge and ability to do.But the devil will use anything and everything to reach his goal. He cares nothing about anything but his selfish desires. He will deceive anybody that will let him. He will then use them for his advantage.The same goes for the preachers and churches mentioned below.I also believe that the devil is deceiving people by manipulating religion, picking certain doctrines and channeling false teachings through different false preachers and churches.It has nothing to do with atheist, agnostic or religious.It has to do with a war between good and evil.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, Actually the proponents of the theories are proposing God does not exist and if He does we don't need him.What happened to all the other things I said about the devil is trying to accomplish his goal. You sum up using part of my statement and then ask the following question. Why is denying the need for salvation anti-Christian?Why is the a subtle distinction in a predominantly Christian culture?Especially when it is not a predominantly Christian culture.It is a predominantly religious culture.I think you need to start a thread where we can continue this conversation without being so far off topic.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi oni, Well no I don't think atheist, agnostic, or religious people as well as theories remove God from anything.God exists.The devil started out using a piece of beautiful fruit.He has used the church to deceive more people than the BB or ToE.But as far as the earth revolving around the sun the last time I checked it took the earth 365.26 days to make that revolution.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi caldron68, We have covered this before.The devil exists and does his job so mankind can have a choice.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Percy, When you add the devil there is still only one God.The devil is a created evil being. I have never found where the devil had free will and could do what he wanted to do. For him to be a god that would be necessary. The devil could not do anything without God's permission.The devil took all Job's earthly possession even to his children.But the devil could not make Job curse God.So he asked for permission to inflict more pain on Job. God gave permission but said you can not take his life.I believe this example was given for our benefit that we could know God was in charge and there was only one God.If you study the first 2 chapters of Job you find that the devil is allowed to do many things but he can not do anything that God does not allow him to do.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi oni, As I understand it Galileo was a member of the Catholic church and therefore under the doctrines of the church.You might get Catholic Scientist to explain why they did what the did.Galileo got house arrest that is a lot better than those that would not accept Catholic baptism and other doctrines got.So don't cry on my shoulder.They had their beliefs and I have mine.I say you are welcome to believe whatever you want to believe and to publish that belief.I also demand the same right.Therefore I believe the devil will and has taken everything in his power and used it to get people to not accept God's offer of a free full pardon since the incident in the garden with the first man.The number one reason I get for people not trusting in God is that the church is full of a bunch of hypocrites. Are you sure the church was wrong in their geocentric view?As I understand it without dark energy the Copernican model is falsified.That would leave the earth as the center of the universe as the simplest explanation for the practical and mathematical understanding of the universe. So I am ignorant if I think the devil will use anything and everything to get people to not believe in or trust God and accept His offer of a free full pardon.What do I fear?I do not fear God today as I am a born again child of His.I do fear what he can do. He can take one's life and then cast the eternal man into a lake of fire where he will remain for eternity.I do not fear man as the most he could do would be kill me.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Percy, The devil gives man an opportunity to decide what man thinks is evil and what is good. After eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil man has been deciding what he determines to be good and evil. You don't have to believe it.It does not have to make sense.That is just the way God did it.We can accept it or reject it.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."