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PaulK
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Message 30 of 382 (497154)
02-02-2009 1:51 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Blue Jay
02-01-2009 9:07 PM


Re: Theistic Evolutionists
WHere would those who believe that God created (and/or sustains) the natural forces we observe so that abiogenesis and evolution would occur, to produce intelligent life fit into your classification ?

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Message 315 of 382 (670190)
08-10-2012 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by marc9000
08-09-2012 7:40 PM


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I think the one thing that has recently brought this out more than anything else is the immediate, widespread rejection throughout the scientific community of the concept of Intelligent Design.
Which just proves the point that ID is religion and not science.
ID started out as an attack on scientific education in high schools, in the name of religious indoctrination. And according to you, when scientists object to that they are attacked as enemies of religion.
Well, there you are.
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Anyone who is the slightest bit religious, anyone but the most militant of atheists, should show some interest, however slight, in Intelligent Design. There’s always the chance that Intelligent Design could show some type of evidence of the actions of whatever Deity they believe in. Their total disregard of it logically indicates that they probably show no real belief in any type of religion.
There is a huge difference between showing "some interest" and uncritical acceptance. At best ID was a fringe idea that had to work for acceptance - and came up short. Add to that the whole business of trying to get into schools before ID even could have been accepted as mainstream science (it's a long process) and I can see scientists being just a little upset at the presumption of the ID movement.
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Also, creationists are aware that conflicts, such as the creation/evolution conflict, are almost always a disagreement between TWO opposing forces. It’s a rare conflict that has three or more equally opposing forces. I’ve never seen the creation/evolution controversy labeled as the creation/deist/evolution controversy, for example.
Which means that Creationists have a very simplistic view of the world.
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It would be interesting to know if his teachings in school are compatible with his teachings in Bible class, or if he teaches conflicting things depending on where he is. Considering the common practice of accusing scientists who promote the study of Intelligent Design of being religious frauds, you should be able to understand how many creationists just may consider Bryan Rehm to be an atheist fraud.
Of course high school teachers aren't meant to promote their personal religious beliefs in class. There's no conflict between teaching the curriculum in schools and religious beliefs in privately-run Bible classes. That's the way it is MEANT to work.
But of course I understand - it seems to be normal for creationists to hate and slander anyone who directs any criticism of them or people considered to be on their side.
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Without the atheism, it wouldn’t get near the attention and public spotlight that it gets. Biological change over time — what could be more boring? If it had nothing to do with atheism, these forums wouldn’t exist, popular books wouldn’t be written about it, court cases concerning it wouldn’t exist, on and on.
Of course this is complete nonsense. Lots of kids are fascinated by dinosaurs and fossils without understanding actual evolutionary theory. Science is all about understanding the wonderful universe we live in and a lot of people ARE interested in that without considering the religious implications. If you want a specific topic of great interest, consider human origins - evolution has told us a lot about that. Many people are interested in knowledge - the truth is more to us than an excuse to reject the authority of creationists, no matter how much you would like it to be otherwise.
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Message 373 of 382 (670340)
08-13-2012 1:47 AM


Obviously Percy is not an atheist
Anyone who believes that there is a God is not an atheist, by definition.
Percy believes that there is a God.
Percy is not an atheist.
Deism is entirely consistent with unguided evolution, therefore Percy's rejection of creationism and intelligent design is consistent with his religious beliefs.
Which leads to the fact that it is obviously wrong to call anyone who accepts evolution an "atheist". Marc can offer no valid reason for doing so - his explanation is, at best, the mere assertion that creationists are ignorant and prejudiced. So there seems little point in discussion - the facts are obvious and the fault is with the creationists.

  
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