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Hi Percy. If I recall correctly, you once stated that you were an agnostic. Do I have that right?I would guess that roughly 30% of evolutionists would identify themselves as atheistic, 20% as theists and 50% as agnostic. Again, that's a wild guess. Perhaps a good percentage of theists would be Unitarian. I'm not sure it's possible for a Unitarian by definition to be agnostic, considering the Unitarian doctrinal statement.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Perhaps the terms "of the devil" and "satanist" apply more to people who are willfully committed to evil. Nobody is immune to sins of one form or another.I regard atheists more so as deluded than committed to evil.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I see my question was answered in the OP. Edited by Buzsaw, : change message.

Something I cannot understand is how theistic evolutionists are not considered creationists, Christian evolutionists in particular. If they're Christian, they are Biblicalists of some sort and the Bible is most certainly creationist. \If 66% of evolutionists are theistic, that's a lot of creationists.EvC (evolutionist vs creationists) would be a missnomer if the greater percentage of evolutionists are theistic/Christian.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. The conflict would be that there would be no purpose for such an allegory; no lesson from it; only deception.2. The NT writers cited Adam as the first man. Throughout scriptures the Genesis record is not treated as allegory. The book also is the genesis of the messianic nation, Israel.3. If folks regard Genesis as a fable or allegory, how do they know the life and mission of Jesus, the christ of Christianity is not also fable. These folks are not making much sense of their theistic position. The same would apply to deists who acknowledge that there are god beings having supernatural powers in the universe.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

In the churches, including yours and the one at Antioch, there are all levels of maturity with Christians. Works do not make one a Christian. One becomes a Christian by receiving Jesus, the christ of Christianity. Hopefully the Christian progresses from there growing into a life of good works? FYI, you are apparently a Christian having arrived at some level of good works in your Christian life.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

For sure, Satan, arch enemy of God would promote and inspire anything which diminishes the glory, power and majestic supremacy of the creator/designer and manager of everything in the Universe as per the Biblical record.The apostle Paul, in the letter to the Romans, (1:25) soundly condemns those who regard the creature more than the creator, and who have "changed the truth of God into a lie.".

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

One word: Preposterous.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Too many misunderstand the concept of the Trinity. Biblically, here is one god, head of the trinity, Jehovah. There is one son of the one supreme god of the Universe, Jesus, the christ/savior who was born from a virgin mother.Jesus always referred to Jehovah as his god and his father. Jehovah (God) did not come down from his throne and die on the cross as is sometimes falsely stated or implied.Jesus said, someplace in John 14 that God (his father) is greater than he. The apostle Paul states in I Corinthians that Jesus, after all things are subdued, will again subject himself to God. In is prayers, Jesus referred to Jehovah as his god or his father, as per the Lord's Prayer and the pre-cross agony prayer and others.Jesus, the son of God is referred to as our lord and God as our father in many of the openers of the epistles to the churches. The meaning of the word lord is master. Jesus has been given the lordship over the church/Christians by the father.I've said the above to say that there is one god and one son of god, who was fathered by the multipresent spirit of God.The Holy Spirit does not have a proper name like Jesus and Jehovah do. In the original manuscripts, the non-proper names like holy spirit are in the lower case and not intended to be capitalized. The translators take it upon themselves to add the capitalization of these terms like holy spirit, lord, god and christ. These are all generic terms which may apply to either deity or to lesser beings who exercise authority or are revered.Satan can do nothing outside of the permissive will of God. (I capitalize the word god where I deem it respectful to those who don't understand all of this.) As is demonstrated in Job 1, Satan is subject to Jehovah, god of the universe, as are all of the angels, both bad and evil.There are multiple levels of intelligent beings in the universe, all creatures of the supreme god, Jehovah. Some arguments here in this thread appear to apply the term, god to any form of possible intelligence above that of earth beings/humans.The term supernatural is a term which we humans apply to any form of intelligence or any event that implies a higher intelligence. That term covers a far wider range of applications than god.I've said the above to say that the term deist does not correctly apply to the Biblical literalist Kingdom Of God. In that kingdom, there is one and only one god whose proper name is Jehovah.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi DA. I hope all is well with you and your Naval unit.I understand your point. I consider myself a trinitarian because the father and the son share one multipresent spirit which we refer to in scripture as the holy spirit/Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is referenced by the masculine pronoun, "he" often and I believe as "it" on occasion in the manuscripts from which scriptures have been taken. The spirit is the mobile multipresent agent/spirit of Jehovah which is sent throughout the Universe to do the bidding of God.The baptism scripture in Matt 28 implies the term trinity relative to the father, son and spirit. (three) Therefore I can scripturally describe myself as a trinitarian. (Matthew 28.18b-20 )Men and creeds of men refer to the Trinity as three persons. This is neither scriptural or sensible. There is one person perse in the trinity being the "son of man" as Jesus is described in the NT by himself and others. The supreme god, Jehovah and the Holy Spirit are not persons by any stretch of the imagination.Bottom line: Buzsaw's doctrines of theology regard Biblical scripture as foundational truth. Biblical scripture either supports or falsifies creeds and doc tines of men.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

There you go, Dwise, practicing what you accuse creationists of; deceit.You cite a couple of creationist quotes and apply them to creationism at large. If you've read me and a host of other creationists over the years, you should know better. Matt: 7:19 is good for the goose as well as the gander.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Yah, I do. Just because God allowed a certain amount of leeway to Satan for the ultimate good of Job and a lesson to mankind to trust God, come hell or high water, does not mean that God has purposely dispatched the Satan to deceive the world.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

You know what a strawman is, don't you, brother? My position was not denying the above, that Satan's work is deception. My position was that God didn't purposefully dispatch/commission him to deceive the world. He willfully choses to do evil. Scripture says that God is not willing that any should perish. Why would God commission Satan to deceive them into perishing? One of the missions of Jesus, whom God sent, is to destroy all evil and put all powers "under his feet." I believe that's in Ist Corinthians 15, about verse 52 or so without looking it up.God does not tell us why Satan is not put away until he is cast into the lake of fire some day. His time is coming when good trumps.There is a raging war in the universe between Satan and his angels and God's kingdom. God has a reason for allowing this to happen. Perhaps it is to send a loud and clear warning to all of the host of the cosmos/heavens that they should not do as Satan and his rebel angels did; to rebel against God's kingdom.Don't forget that intelligent beings capable of knowing and interacting with God are a higher kind of creature than brute beasts. Imo, the intelligent beings have an eternal soul property inherent in their being that brute beasts do not have. Thus life after death and eternal torment for all rebellious intelligent soulish creatures such as men and angels etc. May God bless you too, my brother.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. I don't know of any evangelicals who regard Satan as a god. We believe that there are other entities in the cosmos besides God and humans. Some are called angels. Angels have degrees of authority and power. Some are referred to in the scripture as archangels Most believe he was Lucifer, a high angel, but I'm not convinced of that, though it could be.2 I'm not aware that Catholics and more liberal Protestants regard Satan as a god either.3. Most believe that Satan was a highly favored and high ranking entity in God's kingdom who rebelled, taking with him a third of the angels of the cosmos/heavens. I believe this comes from Revelation 12 where the angels were depicted as stars. This is possible, imo, as I don't see the physical stars of cosmos as a possibility here.In summary, Percy, I think you're stretching it to claim that Christians regard Satan as a god. That just is not the case, though there may be a few who would agree with you.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

These are a few examples of scriptures which claim there is one god.Mark 12:32: Romans 3:30: Ephesians 4:6: I Timothy 2:19: Of course there were false gods referred to in scripture, but they were worshiped by pagan cultures. As well, there were down times when Israel was chastised by God for worshiping them. These were were either man crafted idols or named gods and goddesses of the sun, moon, etc such as Thor, Zeus, etc. I am not aware of any Biblical references of named angels as such which Israel or pagan cultures worshiped as gods.There is a reference in the book of Revelation where John fell down in obeisance to an angelic messenger from God and the angel rebuked him, stating that he was "a fellow servant" of God and that God only was to be worshiped. The angel begins his revelation to John in Revelation 19:1 and in 20:10 after the angel was finished speaking, John attempts to worship him.It appears that I'm not going to convince you of anything, Percy. I've been wondering what sort of a deist you were. Perhaps I'm beginning to understand.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.