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edge
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Message 37 of 232 (123528)
07-10-2004 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by simple
07-09-2004 12:32 AM


Evidence Deficit Disorder...
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Mark, there seems to be something to stratigraphic ordering that begs a better answer than that currently being served up.
Such as?
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I don't know if the ordering is quite as 100% absolute as some evos seem to feel, but there does seem to be the pattern globally that could use a fresh look.
It's all very nice to be able to make broad statements regarding the shortcomings of modern paleontology, but you're going to have to come up with something concrete to be taken seriously here.

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edge
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Message 48 of 232 (123609)
07-10-2004 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by simple
07-10-2004 2:06 AM


Re: creation creatures in stone
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Such as the cambrian fossils in question, and the old evolutionary attempt to explain them, as opposed to cambrian creation life explaining it better.
Not much of an explanation. You have made an assertion. Now back it up.
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My attempt here to take a specific layer, I thought was a concrete attempt at trying to explain it better.
Then you have failed. You have done nothing more than say 'my way is better'. That is not science and it is certainly not debating.
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I am not getting much in the way of a fight from you guys.
Not surprising since you have given us nothing to refute.
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Is it just because they stuck this here on the misc area, and not too many bright lights frequent it?
I've noticed the same thing, but it is common to all boards. The bright lights of creationism seldom venture here.
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Or because you are ill prepared for a challenge on this front?
We are ill-prepared to take on content-free posts. And frankly your harangues are simply boring. Now, if implied insults are your best points, I think I'll go do something interesting like weed the garden.

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edge
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Message 49 of 232 (123611)
07-10-2004 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by simple
07-10-2004 5:12 AM


Explanation???
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More than a mile all over the world? No. If some things were piled up, there are ways to look at it, perhaps, ...
What do you mean 'perahps'? There either are or there aren't. Tell us what they are.
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...other than time periods of fantastic proportions.
Then tell us what some of those alternatives are. You might start by telling us why there are evaporites, animal tracks and desert deposits in the middle of your flood.
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Well, we know men were localized as they were only, at one time in the garden, and there were only two of them!
WE know no such thing. You have only a myth to tell you this.
(snip)
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My model does not hinge on any such thing.
You have no model. Only a story. Where is the evidence?
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Of course there eventually were people out of the garden. Adam and Eve among them, as they got the boot. But how would this much affect whether most of the world had only the lower lifeforms dying in it, and getting fossilized?
Well, if you didn't start with a preconceived notion about a mythical place, your question might make sense.
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As I said, show me why, and we'll deal with that.
You keep asking us to show you things, and yet you have shown nothing. The answer, if I can read your muddled question properly, is that there were no humans present at the time. Neither were there mammals nor reptiles nor flowering plants. Why conjure up some complex notion of a garden that you cannot locate in the geological record, with supernatural beings and processes that cannot be observed in the present and defy the laws of science? Why not a simple explanation?

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edge
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Message 70 of 232 (123849)
07-11-2004 11:56 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by jar
07-11-2004 11:19 PM


Ark in wonderland...
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Well, as a Christian I can only tell you what most everyone else sees. And what you see in the Cambrian is a gradual change over 50 Million years or so.
Actually, you could say more than this, but to what use? Ark keeps talking about a great dying in the Cambrian and yet there is NO evidence that there is any more extinction there than at any other time in the fossil record, including the present. And yet, this is the starting premise. How can anything that follows make any sense?
There is little in Ark's posts that bear on reality, and I suspect it is impossible to have a meaningful discussion.

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