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Topic: Why Lie? (Re: Evolution frauds and hoaxes)
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grandfather raven
Junior Member (Idle past 5467 days) Posts: 27 From: Alaska, USA Joined: 11-20-2007
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Re: Massive Ongoing Paleontological Museum Fraud. Why Lie?
"One accused fraud or proof of one does not negate another." um, yes. yes, it certainly can if my lie is "you are lying", pointing out my lie would be the best indication that you are, in fact, not lying but if you did point out my lie, it would sure be nifty to have the excuse to say "nuh uh, you're changing the subject!"
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grandfather raven
Junior Member (Idle past 5467 days) Posts: 27 From: Alaska, USA Joined: 11-20-2007
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Re: Flea bitten
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We are not talking about creationist lies on this thread I don’t see how finding lies in one thing takes them away from another. Sort of like . .I killed a man, but the guy in the cell next to me killed 2 men, therefore I’m innocent. ???????
more like this: Flea, i have a friend, here, who says *YOU* are lying. without addressing whether my friend, here, is being truthful or not (since that's not the topic at hand), please tell us WHY you are lying. enjoy
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grandfather raven
Junior Member (Idle past 5467 days) Posts: 27 From: Alaska, USA Joined: 11-20-2007
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Re: Five forged fossils
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"Rampant overstated speculation", much better than "forgery". Perhaps I should go back and edit my OP with that instead.
please do, but i really don't see it happening "Why make mistakes? (Re: Non-Scientists get stuff wrong)" just doesn't have the same emotional impact or gotcha-factor as "Why lie? (Re: Evolution frauds and hoaxes)", does it?
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grandfather raven
Junior Member (Idle past 5467 days) Posts: 27 From: Alaska, USA Joined: 11-20-2007
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Message 315 of 346 (471678)
06-17-2008 5:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 312 by randman
06-17-2008 5:42 PM
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Re: Five forged fossils
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Exactly which claim are you referring to, the fact that fossils are used in textbooks as evidence for evolution, or are you talking about peppered moths?
no, it was DbaFlea's claim that the fossils HE listed WERE, and ARE STILL, being used as SPECIFIC evidence for evolution. this has been debunked repeatedly over these 4 pages, yet keeps getting repeated. (which re-raises the question, "why the lies, frauds, and hoaxes?") nobody has said "no fossils anywhere are ever used as general evidence that evolution happened". that's a straw-man of your own construction Edited by grandfather raven, : No reason given.
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grandfather raven
Junior Member (Idle past 5467 days) Posts: 27 From: Alaska, USA Joined: 11-20-2007
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Message 325 of 346 (471693)
06-17-2008 6:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 322 by randman
06-17-2008 6:18 PM
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Re: Five forged fossils
Really? The comment was actually:
The problem is, DbaF, these fossil findings had nothing to do with "proving" evolution, and were never presented as such. The vast majority of evolutionary theory's evidence has nothing to do with fossils.
you do understand that this is a very different statement than "fossils are not presented as evidence for evolution", right?
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grandfather raven
Junior Member (Idle past 5467 days) Posts: 27 From: Alaska, USA Joined: 11-20-2007
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Re: Misleading Flea, with a misleading O.P.!!
"Hesperopithecus was not mentioned by anyone during the course of the Scopes trial, although other major discoveries of fossil hominids were discussed from the stand and in written testimony. Recent claims by Hitching that "the Hesperopithecus tooth was proudly displayed [at the trial] as evidence that man had a long evolutionary past" (1982, p. 211) are simply untrue; [snip]" The role of Nebraska man in the creation-evolution debate why are you lying, Flea?
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grandfather raven
Junior Member (Idle past 5467 days) Posts: 27 From: Alaska, USA Joined: 11-20-2007
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Re: Five forged fossils
I have a valid arguement
you can keep saying that (and possibly even believing it) but you have yet to support its validity consequently, it has been debunked all over these 4 pages
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grandfather raven
Junior Member (Idle past 5467 days) Posts: 27 From: Alaska, USA Joined: 11-20-2007
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Message 340 of 346 (471724)
06-17-2008 8:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 338 by ramoss
06-17-2008 8:03 PM
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Re: Misleading Flea, with a misleading O.P.!!
Please provide evidence it was used in the scopes trial.
i've already provided evidence that it was NOT used, so good luck there
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grandfather raven
Junior Member (Idle past 5467 days) Posts: 27 From: Alaska, USA Joined: 11-20-2007
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Message 342 of 346 (471726)
06-17-2008 8:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 341 by randman
06-17-2008 8:05 PM
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Re: Five forged fossils
Basically what's going on is you are bringing up very good points on evo reliance on overstatements and sometimes even hoaxes, and your detractors are trying to quibble than discuss the topic head-on, imo.
you're welcome to keep believing this, but, objectively, every point raised by you or the OP has been addressed and debunked repeating something AFTER it's shown to be wrong doesn't magically make it right
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