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Vacate Member (Idle past 4621 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
quote: simple writes: Why not? A group of people decide to build a bridge to the moon. You have a few choices at your disposal.
Given that we know heaven is not just outside the atmosphere and the construction project was doomed to failure why would God bother to do what he did? Since man has been able to overcome the language barrier what point did the punishment serve?
Like anything else, once things are created, and rolling along, they evolve. This sounds familiar. Are there any barriers to this rolling along and evolving theory of yours?
A simple formula, and no long ages needed to evolve a common language. If what you are after is simplicity - It all started last tuesday. Takes a bite out of textbook sales though.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4621 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
but not applicable to the time of Babel, when there was a spiritual level nearby What does that have to do with reaching Heaven?
Genesis 11:4 writes: 4And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. Your 'evidence' does not match what the bible says.
Since we don't know precisely what the created kinds were, there is a lot of leeway there. So you have nothing. Don't bring it up if you have no leg to stand on.
But man was a kind, so we did not come from monkeys I thought you said leeway! You seem to have a problem being consistent.
Simple from message 24 writes: I do not believe that Babel was really all that important God found it important. He scattered man and created separate languages just to ruin the project. Thats what the Bible says.
Simple from message 24 writes: God was not pleased that they would try to bypass the promised savior, Jesus, and get there by themselves Link or quote please. I can't find anything to suggest this in the passages. This still does not address the fact (biblically speaking) that God stepped in to ruin a project that was attempting to build a tower to Heaven. Why?
But I think that this happened to fall at a time when something else was happening ANYHOW. Something that the Almighty Himself, said would come down to man in 120 years. So what? Even if this mystery event was about the time of Babel it has no relevance to the importance of Babel.
That means Babel would be, if I have it close here, about the time of Peleg. Let me guess - your guessing. Got any of that evidence you claim to have? Remember this?
No, I am after reality that meets the evidences, that is as simple as possible. Start presenting it then. So far you have produced zero.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4621 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Really this is a product of some kind of attempt to apply logic to "scripture as a whole" Unimportant. The people of the time didn't read the bible to find out how the plot would unfold. This situation is about the people of the time and Gods reactions. There is no indication that the people of that time knew about future events and did what they did only to make the Bible complete.
God provides Jesus to get us into heaven Us, not them. Jesus came onto the stage sometime later, the 'gonna build a tower to heaven' folk did not have Jesus as an option. Edited by Vacate, : No reason given.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4621 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Heaven is still there, but not the part of it that was a level over earth. So God really did have to stop the construction. How far up would Heaven have been that you could make a structure out of brick and still reach it?
Of course if we are talking spiritual abode for non heavenly spirits, that is under the earth. According to the bible. Obviously that is out of the jurisdiction of physical science. Did Jesus move that too? If not then its certainly in the jurisdiction of science. Its below our feet. It must be a physical place, unless of course, Jesus also upgraded it along with Heaven to be 'spiritual'.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4621 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Vacate writes: How far up would Heaven have been that you could make a structure out of brick and still reach it? Simple writes: 2-3000 feet high. So anyone climbing a small mountain would be able to stop by Heaven for a cup of coffee? This is post flood remember, in the flood model the mountains have already been formed. You have not thought this one through have you? Anyone that happened to be settled near Boulder,Colorado would not need a tower, they would have to dig down to find Heaven!
Simple writes: Science cannot detect it, because it is not physical only material there, but spiritual also You need to be clearer about whats physical and not. You said that Heaven was a physical place before Jesus moved it. I asked you if Jesus also moved Hell. So now you are saying that when Jesus moved Heaven (and made it spiritual) he also made Hell a non-physical place?
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4621 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
Well that depends on a few things. Was the level of the spiritual uniform, planet wide? Or were there some areas where it was? For example New Jerusalem is a certain size, 1500 square miles. My mistake, its hard to keep up when you are pulling this stuff out of your ass. So what areas exactly was Heaven located at the 2-3000 foot level? (Before Jesus ascended and moved it)
Next, we need to ask ourselves how high the original mountains were So how high where they then? *Hint* Mt. Ararat is 16,854 ft
before the continental separation, which was, if you recall, over a century after the flood, as I calculate it If thats how you calculate it then how am I supposed to recall it? Care to propose a topic that would show a model for why the continents suddenly start racing around?
Haven't thought this through, really, have you? Of course not, I prefer to let you lead me through your fantasy.
You think I said Jesus moved heaven? You did say that.
Simple in Message 50 writes: Heaven is still there, but not the part of it that was a level over earth. Heaven, or where the spirits live is now, as I understand it, is New Jerusalem. Since Jesus built that, I would think that there was another abode before that was complete, that He ascended to. Was there, not there now. Jesus built a new Heaven, (where the spirits live now, the newer abode) after ascending to the old Heaven.
I said He build us a city, and that is what most call heaven. Heaven is really just a place where spirits live. I don't really care who calls it that or who lives there. I am simply repeating what you have said already and pointing out the obvious logical errors in your story. I can always look back and keep quoting you regardless how you may attempt to change what you said.
I am not sure about that physical bit, and moving. I know, thats why I have pointed it out. Your story is based on bad logic and continual attempts to shift your wording.
Oh, I think you may be referring to the spiritual level here, before the universe change that left us physical only? Nope, still referring to the physical Heaven that you said was 2-3000 feet above the Earth. Conversely, I am also pointing out that you have not specified if Jesus also moved Hell or made it non-physical as he did with Heaven. If he did neither then Hell is completely within the realm of science, as I have already suggested.
I don't believe it is that hot. How hot is the core then? Just curious Edited by Vacate, : Journey to the center of the Earth
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4621 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
quote: Kuresu writes:
In a planet? A hot core to start with. Little hint for you--we can tell the temperature of the earth's core, and it is slowly cooling.quote: Here is a hint for you:
Now I call you out. Support your claims that we do not have a hot core. Feel free to create a new topic, it would be interesting to see how you begin to deny this.
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