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robinrohan
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Message 43 of 55 (170257)
12-20-2004 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by dpardo
12-20-2004 6:40 PM


Perhaps one way you could try to figure out probabilities is to put all the evidence that there is a God on one side and the evidence that there is no God on the other. The problem is that there is no real evidence one way or the other.
But for what it's worth, I can tell you why I have sometimes thought that there MIGHT be a God:
1. the fact that we appear to have minds.
2. the fact that I have a vivid conscience.
And for what it's worth, I can tell you why I have sometimes thought that there MIGHT be no God:
1. all the events of life appear to be ultimately accidental.
2. the history of religion tells us that legends about the Gods gradually accumulate and grow more extreme over time (legends about Jesus, for example).
3. All the arguments for the existence of God have logical flaws.
So I guess 3/2 that there is no God.

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robinrohan
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Message 46 of 55 (171258)
12-23-2004 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by robinrohan
12-20-2004 7:11 PM


I might as well get on with it:
In my view, if one can establish the existence of mind, one can establish deity.
And if you can't, nihilism is inevitable.

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robinrohan
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Message 49 of 55 (171262)
12-23-2004 11:58 PM
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12-23-2004 11:50 PM


Re: From Mind to God ??
Yeah, Ned. This is the big one. I'm not ready to reply yet. My knees are shaking.

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robinrohan
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Message 52 of 55 (171329)
12-24-2004 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by robinrohan
12-23-2004 11:58 PM


Re: From Mind to God ??
Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that mentality is real. By this I mean there are two types of reality, the mental and physical, both equally real. The thoughts I have are some kind of "thing" as real as the tree out in my front yard.
1. This means there are things that are not corporeal but real. They have no physical dimensions. We can't talk about how long or wide they are or how much they weigh or what their velocity is.
2. It is not, IMO, possible for mentality to somehow evolve out
of physicality. There is a sheer gap between the two, no stages in between physicality and mentality.
3. This lack of stages is not to be confused with stages of consciousness. We can speak of semi-consciousness, for example, and we can imagine that some animal might have a permanent state of semi-consciousness compared to humans. But that does not mean that there are these things in him which are partially mental and partially physical. Something is either mental or physical; there can be no mixture. If consciousness is something mental, then so is semi-consciousness.
4. Of course, the mind is dependent on the brain. All you have to do is drink some wine, like I did last night, to realize that. But that doesn't mean that the mind is the brain, or that the brain can create a mind. How is it going to do this? How does mere increasing complexity and quantity of neural connections emerge into a "thought"?
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