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Author Topic:   What is the definition of Creationism?
nwr
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Message 7 of 17 (283247)
02-01-2006 5:23 PM
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02-01-2006 11:20 AM


You are an evolutionist.
You are also a creationist.
You are not a Young Earth Creationist (YEC).
What makes this confusing, is that sometimes people use "creationist" to mean "YEC", and they forget about the other types of creationist.

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Message 10 of 17 (283733)
02-03-2006 8:25 PM
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02-03-2006 8:18 PM


Perhaps you would be willing to follow up with your 2LOT thread?
That thread was just locked, due to topic drift.
Maybe can ask to have it reopened. But it is perhaps a bit early, since it was only recently closed.

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Message 12 of 17 (283785)
02-03-2006 11:39 PM
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02-01-2006 5:16 PM


Re: Big C, small c
I would like some of our more conservative creationists to explain to me why the teaching of Biological Evolution is a threat to Christianity----aside from being at odds with Genesis.
I don't qualify as a conservative creationist. But I'll comment anyway.
The explanation I heard (from an evangelical Christian source), is that pastors were noticing that the youth members of their Church would be strong Christians. Then they would attend college and take a biology class, and come out as atheists. The decision to emphasize literalism (Young Earth Creationism) was, according to this report, a counter measure attempting to stem the loss of youth to atheism.
Sorry, but I don't remember exactly where I heard this. It was on an evangelical radio program a number of years ago. I have no way of confirming its accuracy.
Why can't Genesis be symbolic? Why need every single word of the Bible have to be so inerrent?
There is no good theological reason. The practical reason, is that making it symbolic would defeat the aim of attacking evolution.
There is a theological reason that is often given. It is said that Genesis must be taken literally to support the doctrine of original sin. Personally, I think this is bogus. A symbolic understanding of Genesis works just as well to support original sin. And, in any case, the doctrine of original sin is non-biblical. It seems to have been an invention by Augustine.
Can't Jesus Christ be literal without the unlikely prospect of trudging up North and dragging two large Polar Bears down to an Ark in the Middle East---among other plausible scenarios...having to be true and just so?
Yes, of course that's possible. The arguments for a literal reading of genesis are bogus.

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Message 14 of 17 (283800)
02-04-2006 12:52 AM
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02-04-2006 12:12 AM


Re: Big C, small c
i've seen the very same phenominon with ancient literature classes. christians go in thinking the bible is special, and then have to read ten other books just like it. what are christians going to do about that? ban gilgamesh?
That's probably less of a worry, in that the number of people who study gilgamesh is small compared to the number to take a biology class.
There are probably cases of people who study theology and come out atheists. (I wonder if prophex is reading this ).

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Message 16 of 17 (283802)
02-04-2006 1:24 AM
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02-04-2006 12:58 AM


Re: Big C, small c
but the position of the modern fundamentalist churches seems to be "remove all everything from your life that causes doubt." science, theology, knowledge, education, music... friends, family...
If you don't have doubt, then you don't really have faith either. If you have properly thought it through, you cannot help but have doubt.

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