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Topic: Super Evolution and the Flood
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ICANT
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Message 20 of 173 (457984)
02-26-2008 5:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 15 by Taz
02-26-2008 3:45 AM
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Re-Whale
Hi Taz, I am not YEC but I don't think you have to put the whale, walrus, dolphin or other water animals on the ark. Just a thought. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Re-Whale
Hi CS,
Catholic Scientist writes: The Bible says that all life that wasn't on the ark died. What Bible you reading? Mine says:
Gene 7:21 (KJV) And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 120 of 173 (460144)
03-12-2008 11:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 117 by Blue Jay
03-12-2008 9:51 PM
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Re: Creeping Things
Hi Bluejay,
Bluejay writes: Anyway, back to more on-topic issues: I would propose that some creation scientists learn AutoCAD I noticed this and thought it was neat. It was something I had never thought about so I gave it a quick whirl. I don't know what anyone else has ever said about the volume of the ark as I have not been interested. First there would be no cages. Noah did not gather the animals they came to the loading dock. Now as to the actual floor space. With 10' ceilings I can get 5 acres of floorspace in the ark. Since God supplied the animals He controled their size and I assume they brought their own supplies, or God supplied them as Noah was not instructed to obtain them. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Re: Creeping Things
Hi FilesOnly,
FilesOnly writes: This is a first for me. I doubt very seriously if this is the first time you have part quoted something and I doubt very seriously if it will be the last. But it is easier to make fun of this way isn't it? The entire quote is below if you would care to comment on it.
Since God supplied the animals He controlled their size and I assume they brought their own supplies, or God supplied them as Noah was not instructed to obtain them. Since Noah was not instructed obtain food for the animals. The animals had to bring their own. Or: God had to provide it. He did supply food and water and everything else the children of Israel needed in the desert for 40 years. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 130 of 173 (460285)
03-13-2008 9:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 124 by DrJones*
03-13-2008 4:30 PM
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Re: Creeping Things
Hi DrJones,
DrJones writes: So all the carnivores brought along their own prey to eat? Did the lions, for example, herd in some extra zebras? Or they could have eat what God provided for them as Noah provided nothing. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Re: SUPER EVOLUTION AND THE FLOOD
Hi oC,
obvious Child writes: Care to explain to me how Noah managed to take care of thousands of species and what they ate after the waters receded? Why is everyone so obsessed with how Noah and his family took care of all these animals? Is there anywhere in the Bible that says they had to take care of them? The creator of the universe told Noah to build an ark. He told him how big to build it. He was not instructed to build water tanks nor was he told to build storage bins for food. He was not told to make preparations for sanitation. Noah was told to build the ark. He complied and God took care of everything else. When the animals disembarked from the ark the same God that had taken care of them for the past year was still in control and took care of their needs. I know a lot of people have problems with the ark story, and the miracles. But understand if you can believe Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Anything else in the Bible is child's play. The same thing is true with, "In the beginning a hot little something that no one knows anything about expanded into the universe we see today." If you can believe that you have no problem swallowing the rest of the story. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 133 of 173 (460292)
03-13-2008 9:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 131 by DrJones*
03-13-2008 9:07 PM
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Re: Creeping Things
Hi Dr,
DrJones writes: And what did god provide for them? Ask Him when you meet Him. I am not going to second guess Him. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 138 of 173 (460314)
03-14-2008 1:43 AM
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Reply to: Message 137 by Blue Jay
03-14-2008 12:54 AM
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Re: Creeping Things
Hi Bluejay,
Bluejay writes: I need autumnman or somebody who can tell me what the word translated as "creeping thing" is and if it's the same word used in Leviticus 11. Genesis 6:20 remes 1) creeping things, moving things, creeping organism a) creeping things b) gliding things (of sea animals) c) moving things (of all animals) Levi. 11:21, 41, 43, 44 sherets 1) teeming or swarming things, creepers, swarmers a) of insects, animals, small reptiles, quadrupeds They are different words God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Re: SUPER EVOLUTION AND THE FLOOD
Hi grape2vine,
grape2vine writes: Noah's ability to maintain all these animals is a bigger obstical than ark capacity. I only got involved in this thread because Bluejay ask about someone drawing the ark with auto cad. I had never thought about it but I use Chief Architect so I spent a few minutes drawing one. and I came up with a fairly large area to store things.
Message 120 I came up with 5 acres with 10' ceilings. So much more storage space could be designed in. Now as far as AIG and where they got cages from, food supplies, or water storage I have no idea. Noah was told to build an ark. He was not told to gather up animals, supply them food and water. This was not a scientific experiment. This was God preserving man and animals for a period of 1 year. As I stated in a previous message if a person can believe in Genesis 1:1 they will have no problem with the ark story. If they can't believe Genesis 1:1 they will never believe the ark story or any miracles. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Re: Why the odsession?
Hi FilesOnly, This is one Pastor that has no desire to see miracles taught in the classroom. Even those that are called science. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 150 of 173 (460393)
03-14-2008 4:48 PM
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Reply to: Message 148 by Percy
03-14-2008 4:07 PM
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Re: SUPER EVOLUTION AND THE FLOOD
Hi Percy,
Percy writes: But I think this thread addresses the YEC contention that the story of the ark is scientifically possible and doesn't require miracles. Percy you know and I know that the ark story can not, is not, and will never be a scientificly feasible fact. It makes no difference how much YEC'ers try to make it one. Although I think that would be easier than creating the universe some 10k years ago. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Re: SUPER EVOLUTION AND THE FLOOD
Hi graft2vine,
graft2vine writes: So, if we are to look at superevolution after the flood I don't see any need for super evolution after the flood. Five acres of floor space would equal a train with 51' x 8' x 10' cars 5.6 miles long. With the modifications of putting in the rooms mentioned that could be increased to 14 or 15 miles. I think that would be sufficient to hold all animals necessary. Since Noah was to supply the ark. He did his job. God was to supply the animals. Noah was not told to supply anything else so that would be God's job also. If the animals needed to be fed, watered, cleaned up behind and cared for physically I am sure God could spare an angels to take of those tasks. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 155 of 173 (460403)
03-14-2008 6:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 151 by Blue Jay
03-14-2008 5:33 PM
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Re: Creeping Things
Hi Bluejay,
Genesis 7:14, 21 and 23? All these are the same word remes.
Leviticus 11:23? sherets The full definition for each word is in: Message 138 They are never used interchangeably. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Message 157 of 173 (460412)
03-14-2008 9:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 156 by Percy
03-14-2008 7:50 PM
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Re: SUPER EVOLUTION AND THE FLOOD
Thanks Percy,
Percy writes: I'm sure the creationists understand this also, but it isn't claims of religion but of science that they bring to school boards and state legislatures. Percy I have to disagree with you. Those people actually believe they are doing science. Many of them I know personally and they have been brainwashed into believing a lie. Percy there is no problem as I see it for enough animals to be on the ark to repopulate the earth. I am old earth so I would not have to have a lot of animals YEC's would need. But when it comes to dealing with the food, water and waste there is no humanly way that it could be possible. Those guys need to preach the gospel and quit trying to sell their beliefs as science. If they want to waste their time preaching it from the pulpits they can. Most of them have private church schools teach it there. But when it comes to the public school system no. Then I think some of them just use it as a money making machine selling books. Percy in 46 years of preaching I have never preached a sermon on the flood. There are more important things. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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