Hovind: Lies in the Textbook

.........Maybe neither. Maybe he read some other secular stuff from good sources which were his sources. Maybe you're maligning him as a liar or ignoramus when he interprets observation of these no different than some reliable secular sources.For example, Hemichordata | Infoplease{Emphasis mine)

Oh, c'mon, it's not just the press and pop, is it? Maybe it's that you are dodging some primary stuff in your biased stance and your anxiety to dogpile on Hovind.

My statements pertained to the specifified point in question. I would not agree with him on some important stuff such as the age of the universe, which I contend to be eternal on the basis of an eternal creator who, imo, has forever been creating, destroying and rearanging things to suit himself.So to answer your question, I believe he's right about a lot more than he is credited for here in this place, but in error on some important stuff. I think it is disingenuous, meanspirited and unfair for posters to malign him as a liar for what he believes. Being a god fearing person, I doubt that he would blatantly and purposfully lie.

Thanks for being honest with your concession, Litho. There seems to be pros and cons on some of this. I find it fascinating and will try to do some more reading on it. Peace!

I could cite dozens of things I consider him to be right about, likely the greater percentage of his claims and statements, I would consider to be correct. I've presented one right here in this thread, the one, Litho has conceeded to. To get into a lot of his views would be to digress into numerous topics. Though I would not agree with him on the dinosaurs, age of earth and the universe as well as some other stuff, he man is just not the fool so many are making him out to be, imo. Besides, he's smart, humorous and entertaining to listen to. This message has been edited by buzsaw, 12-04-2004 09:59 PM

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

Hey, no problem, my friend. I make my share of mistakes. I haven't been logged in for a spell or I'd have checked it out myself, but see the mods are looking out for creos and all. Thanks very much, Jar and Asgara. This message has been edited by buzsaw, 12-06-2004 12:17 AM

I try to stick to the fundamentals about a person's message and teaching. The bottom line is whether the doctrine makes good sense and is credible. How one presents himself is secondary. Whether or not you agree with the man on this or that, by listening to him you'll likely gain a measure of knowledge in one field or another.

As I've said before, I don't agree with everything he teaches, but to say it's all false is a gross meanspirited and biased exaggeration on your part. The fair thing to do is to critique what you don't agree with and allow due credit for the rest.

From what I've read, there are three common and widely taught states of matter. Whether plazma, occuring at extremely high temperatures like on the sun, is a fourth, is debated among some scientists due to the question as to whether it's a gas or not. To label Hovind a liar for using what many secular teachers teach is biased meanspiritedness on your part, imo.

Can you pull up the context of Hovind's usage of the term, "3 states of matter"? Hovind's audiences are laity and not physists. Just as there's a number of pages of references in google to "three states of energy", including one from perdue, so should Hovind be allowed the priviledge of that usage for his constituents without him being labeled a liar for it.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 12-12-2004 11:57 PM

I agree with quite a lot of his stuff, like ID, no big bang, and such, but, I must admit, there's not much of his stuff you people could agree with.What bothers me is that people are ever so anxious to catagorize so much of his stuff as deliberate lies.
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I think he tries to keep it simple and relative to things commonly observed on earth for his audiences, much like many school teachers do. I don't blame him for that. For some audiences it may be good for him to mention plasma being regarded by many as a 4th. Maybe he does on occasion. I don't know as it's not often I get him on tv.

Thanks Ned. I edited the mistake. I wasn't avoiding response about some things I agree with per Hovind. I was having a hard time bringing up Evc pages for a spell, but that corrected after a while.