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Author Topic:   Hovind: Lies in the Textbook
crashfrog
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Message 68 of 79 (167570)
12-12-2004 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Buzsaw
12-12-2004 6:29 PM


Stuff I just learned from the Wiki
Whether plazma, occuring at extremely high temperatures like on the sun, is a fourth, is debated among some scientists due to the question as to whether it's a gas or not.
From what I just read on the Wiki article, the ambiguity isn't that they don't know if plasma is a gas or not - it's that, at high temperatures and pressures, gases and liquids are indistiguishable.
And of course, when you have only a few atoms - less than several thousand - they exist in absolutely no state at all. This is because the states of matter are not some kind of fundamental organizing principle, but rather ambiguous epiphenomena that emerge from a system containing a sufficient number of atoms.
So, no matter how many "states" there are, the number is functionally meaningless, be it 3 or any other number; and so should certainly not be taken as an instance of some kind of "magic number", as I sense Hovind was trying to do.

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crashfrog
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Message 75 of 79 (167695)
12-13-2004 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Buzsaw
12-12-2004 11:55 PM


I think he tries to keep it simple and relative to things commonly observed on earth for his audiences
Right, but he's "keeping it simple" so that his audience will believe things about the universe that simply aren't true. Remember that Hovind's point is that a lot of scientists are just plain wrong. Being wrong about science himself undercuts that point.
The universe is not a simple place, Buz. There's nothing to be gained, and much to be lost, by glossing over that complexity to make your point more compelling to an audience of laity. Hovind needs to raise his standards. His audience will follow.

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