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Author Topic:   Discussing the evidence that support creationism
crashfrog
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Message 116 of 301 (435727)
11-22-2007 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by theLimmitt
11-22-2007 3:17 PM


It has the same amount of energy but it's just being broken up into diffrent peices, so if the big bang is correct then wouldn't all the planets be spinning the same way?
It makes perfect sense. When you jump off the merry-go-round, you're not spinning at all; you're moving in a straight line tangental to the point where you jumped off.
It's funny that Hovind, ostensibly the holder of a degree in education, doesn't know what happens when kids play on a merry-go-round. I guess he doesn't see a lot of children in his jail cell?

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crashfrog
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Message 120 of 301 (435733)
11-22-2007 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by theLimmitt
11-22-2007 3:27 PM


Well I thank you for your sugestion but I think that it makes total since that it would all spin in the same direction.
If this was true there would be no such thing as centrifugal force. But since this is trivial to demonstrate - say, with a centrifuge - we know that angular momentum is not conserved in the way you describe.

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crashfrog
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Message 123 of 301 (435736)
11-22-2007 3:32 PM
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11-22-2007 3:28 PM


But they didn't jump off they got flung off because the speed was to much for them to handle.
What's the difference? They don't spin; they continue in straightline motion tangential to the point where they were no longer connected to the merry-go-round.

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crashfrog
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Message 126 of 301 (435739)
11-22-2007 3:34 PM
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11-22-2007 3:30 PM


True, but I saw this almost 5 years ago and then I just said fuck it what does it matter how I was made as long as I'm here so I'm way behind on recent facts and all that jazz.
Nothing recent about centrifugal force, friend. Newton figured this stuff out. Hovind would have known better if he had simply observed reality, but then, if he did that, he wouldn't be a creationist.

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crashfrog
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Message 130 of 301 (435744)
11-22-2007 3:43 PM
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11-22-2007 3:34 PM


I see your point and I think that I'm starting to understand now, but I get confuesed easly so use small words for me.
Let me try something different.
See? You can fill a bucket with water and swing it around your head; it doesn't fall out because centrifugal force is pushing it out towards the bottom of the bucket, holding it in place.
That's because objects inside other rotating objects want to continue in a straight line; that's why you feel a force pushing you against the outside of the car when you make a turn. Your body wants to keep going in a straight line but the car is turning underneath you.
We wouldn't experience those effects without the tendency of objects to go in straightline motion when released from spinning objects. If they wanted to spin instead, we'd observe different effects.
If you've ever thrown a ball, you've used centrifugal force. If objects simply spun, instead, throwing a ball would be impossible.

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crashfrog
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Message 132 of 301 (435749)
11-22-2007 3:49 PM
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11-22-2007 3:37 PM


Why wouldn't he have been a creationist?
People who have used observation of the natural world to arrive at the best explanation for the origin of life are evolutionists, by definition. Creationism is the "explanation" you arrive at when start with creationism, because you want to believe in it, and then you simply ignore everything that might contradict you.

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crashfrog
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Message 147 of 301 (435888)
11-23-2007 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 146 by Chiroptera
11-23-2007 4:03 PM


I blame bowling:
I think people assume that the ball's curved trajectory is a function of the curved swing before the launch; but it's really a function of a spinning ball slipping and sliding over a surface of variable friction.

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