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Author Topic:   Evolution doesn't make sense.
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Message 27 of 80 (2489)
01-19-2002 3:48 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by keenanvin
01-17-2002 10:14 PM

"I belive Lorenzo is misunderstanding Evolution. Evolution is the survival of the fittest. Those who are fit to survive can breed and have offspring which have their traits. One of your examples you 'tried' to prove false was of the peppered or 'speckled' tree moth. They were originally white with small black specks, and they blended into the houses of England ( since they were made of a stucco-like material). Birds had a hard time picking them apart form the buildings. That was fine and dandy till the industrial revolution. Coal was burned and smog and soot was produced. The soot covered the trees and now these moths stuck out like a sore thumb. A beacon to the birds, if you will. The white moths were picked off quite easily. They were almost to extinction when a moth was born with a black body and white spots, just the opposite of it's parents. A minor mutation, an "albino" sort. The birds missed that moth every time they passed over it. That moth mated with a white moth, and they had ( as close as we can approximate, out of 4 children they had 1 white, 2 grey and 1 black babies) The white ones were picked off and the Dominant traits become Black tone, instead of white. The Moths didn't pull a "Charmeleon" mutation or anything. Evolution is simple, read up about it and you might actually be taken seriously."
--Just a quick note, sounds like something an Intelligent designer would give to his creation, ability to replicate and build veriety, If you turned this moth into a fly or a grasshopper, that would be interesting, Creation has no conflict with this accept that some claim that this is 'E'volution in action.


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Message 29 of 80 (2819)
01-26-2002 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by LudvanB
01-26-2002 12:07 PM

"I must say that as far as ID goes,the jury is still out as far as i'm concerned. But even if that was the case and that the earth and all its lifeforms were the result of an intelligent designer,why should we automaticaly assume that this designer was a supernatural God being? I have another theory on the subject. What if the earth is merely a vivarium set up by beings from a much older but very much non-supernatural civilisation? Couldn't ID also mean BIOLOGICAL LIVING intelligent designers? Could someone present me with evidence that this was not the case?"
--Seems logical, but then your right back to the question of where did they come from, being physical and biological living organisms of this extra galactic universe/civilization, we must ask the same questions of our existance and apply it to them, which ofcourse leads you to a dead end because we have no clue period if there is extra-terrestrial intelligence out there.


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Message 31 of 80 (2902)
01-26-2002 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by LudvanB
01-26-2002 1:12 PM

"I am not advancing that the world was created by extra-terrestrials...i am simply stating thatthere is no logical,sensible reason to believe that if the ID theory is accurate that this intelligence absolutely or even likely belongs to an all powerfull divine being. The simple fact is that we do not even know if there was an intelligent designer behind the many wonders of the world. One may chose to assume that there is,for whatever reason but ID is far from being a foregone conclusion."
--The ID argument is not a conclusion, it is more accuratelly portrayed as a 'study'. It is a study on how things function and what its feasable implications on origins are, as for example, I see the origin of the giraffe as inconceivably acceptable in 'E'volution.


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Message 36 of 80 (4717)
02-16-2002 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by quicksink
02-15-2002 9:23 AM

"if anything does not make sense, it is creationism and its followers.

maybe you should tell Stephen Hawking that evolution "just doesn't make sense."
--Stephen Hawking is a theoretical Cosmologist, he doesn't deal with biological evolution.


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