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Author Topic:   Evolution doesn't make sense.
Peter
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Message 33 of 80 (4212)
02-12-2002 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Lorenzo7
01-15-2002 10:38 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Lorenzo7:

Creationists believe in a universe of creation by God. Evolutionists believe in many years of organism evolution. These are the facts and they are undisputed.

As a Creationist how can an evolutionist say that by complete and utter chance:
The earth is at just the right tilt to that we don't burn or freeze to death.


Lots of people have pointed out that tilt is more about seasons than
overall temperature. As the earth rotates around sol, the tilt means that sometimes the northern hemisphere is closer to the sun (summer)
and sometimes farther away(winter).

If you doubt that I think you'd best check it out. A quick web-search
should do it.

More importantly the climate on earth isn't coincidently exactly right
for life ... the life on earth developed to live in the earth
environment. If we had a different climate we would have different
life.

On a small scale one can consider the differences in life adapted for
alaska compared to the African Veldt.

quote:
Originally posted by Lorenzo7:
We just happened to evolve the correct life processes such as krebs cycle, cellular respiration, DNA sythesis etc.

Again we didn't just happen to ... those chemicals and combos of
chemicals which support life survived because they support life.

Once the first set of chemicals capable of replication emerged, they
replicated and consequently proliferated.

quote:
Originally posted by Lorenzo7:

The planets just happen to orbit the sun without running into each other.


What's so special about that ? If they did bash into one another,
some would be destroyed, or orbits would be shifted, until no
more collisions happened.

quote:
Originally posted by Lorenzo7:

Everything in life depends on a pattern of something creating something else. Your mom and dad didn't evolve into you, they "created" you through a complex system of reproduction.


Yes. And changes brought about by mutations and the resultant suitability for the environment are evolution.

quote:
Originally posted by Lorenzo7:
It only makes sense that something or Someone was the first Creator.

To you, perhaps. And you're more than welcome to any opinion you
might have.

It's not the only thing that makes sense to many others, and so
as an argument point it's somewhat irrelevant.

quote:
Originally posted by Lorenzo7:
And if I'm not mistaken evolutionists believe in the Big Bang theory?

You ARE mistaken. There are a number of scientific explanations for
the origin of the universe, none of which have anything to do with
evolution (which is about biology NOT cosmology).

quote:
Originally posted by Lorenzo7:
Where did this comet or particle come from that supposedly started all life? Are you telling me that time is circular and has no Beginning?


Not sure about this comet comment. Although there is some current
hypothesis being put forward that the earth is constantly bombarded
by small comets which break up in the upper atmoshpere, and that
these comets are responsible for water and the materials for the
chemical matter required by biological systems coming to the earth
in the first place.

This is a relatively new idea (although viruses have been linked to
comet proximity to earth) and not entirely supported.

quote:
Originally posted by Lorenzo7:
Your theories are quite weak.

A theory can be neither weak nor strong ... only the evidence to
support it (pedantic I know but I couldn't resist )

quote:
Originally posted by Lorenzo7:
Chickens lay eggs, they don't turn into eggs.

What has that to do with evolution or creationism ?

Although the chicken and egg question is a nice abstraction of the
debate


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Peter
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Message 43 of 80 (5282)
02-22-2002 7:21 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by chafihar
02-18-2002 11:35 PM


quote:
Originally posted by chafihar:
Where did this comet or particle come from that supposedly started all life?
_____________

I do not accept the unlikely idea that life came on a comet/meteor, or the very ridiculous idea that the water on earth had similar origins! There is no essential rationale to suggest this, and, as far as I know, there certainly is no supporting evidence! I expect that an old-fashioned respect for the conditions of the early earth suffice to endow it with everything that we find today! What will they think of next? Can this be just another effort to go against science, like alternative medicine is, or creationism is, for that matter? )


See:: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1262000/1262216.stm

I guess the short answer as to where it came from would be ... space

It does raise some interesting possibilities re: abiogenesis however.

We cannot find conditions on earth that are absolutely convincing
as to abiogenesis (although there are a lot of things which fit).

Also we have the creationist probablistic arguments, but they
make an assumption that abiogenesis ONLY ocurred on earth.

quote:
Originally posted by chafihar:

Are you telling me that time is circular and has no Beginning?
_____________

Time is not a line segment whose endpoints can be connected! Is this what you have in mind? Succeeding time intervals can be represented by successive line segments, directed say, from left to right, or from down to up. But this is just to aid our imagination, primarily for the purpose of using mathematics. Just as the imaginary ‘whole line’ has no end at either extremity, the ‘time line’ need not have, a priori, a beginning or an end! Our time of experience shares an equal conceptual quality with the space of ordinary experience, in classical physics. To Newton, there was no beginning or end of time in his equations of motion, which incidentally, were symmetric in both space and time! Now, what does it mean operationally, that time had a beginning? That there is no time before the beginning! How could we find out, test it that is, if there is no time to experience this absence of time? Do you have an idea of where I have been, where I am now, and what a mess I will be in if I continue with this? Another )


Time doesn't actually exist (try measuring it directly like-for-like).

It is a convenient abtraction that fits with our perception of
reality.


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