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Topic: Longest Land Meridian
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2936 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 76 of 124 (150357)
10-16-2004 8:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 75 by NosyNed
10-15-2004 9:53 PM
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Re: Who cares?
I see you are right.
My house is almost in the center of land mass of the USA, I can go down to the county court house and find old paper that talks about my house, given these two facts should I start measuring my chimeny to prove the time of the Exodus?
Many years ago I read most of Willow's canon of authors, Veliskofsky, Von Daneken, et. al, and there was always the same sensation while reading them that something was really there,only to discover that you had shaving cream in your ear.
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NosyNed
Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: 04-04-2003
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Message 77 of 124 (151791)
10-21-2004 8:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 76 by tsig
10-16-2004 8:18 PM
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GP to sea
Have you found a map yet WT? Have you learned how to read a map yet? Could you give you estimate of the distance from the GP to the Mediterrean sea?
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tsig
Member (Idle past 2936 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: 04-09-2004
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Message 78 of 124 (151822)
10-21-2004 11:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 77 by NosyNed
10-21-2004 8:58 PM
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Re: GP to sea
Maybe if he used the Mercator projection, then measured linearly he could get the right result.
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pink sasquatch
Member (Idle past 6050 days) Posts: 1567 Joined: 06-10-2004
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WILLOWTREE?
WILLOWTREE- I'm confused - it was posted that you asked for the thread to be reopened, but then you never posted here? Anyway, have you thought at all about in the map exercise I put together this post? I was hoping if you tried it you might realize that LLM and LLP are not directly tied to center-of-land-mass as measurements. It has nothing to do with the Pyramid, so it will not directly impact your argument. Besides, I went to all of the trouble drawing and posting that gorgeous map! Thanks...
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Lindum
Member (Idle past 3425 days) Posts: 162 From: Colonia Lindensium Joined: 02-29-2004
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Re: WILLOWTREE?
I had forgotten that this thread had been reopened. It would be nice to know that the time I spent measuring meridians was not in vain. Yet it seems that no believers of this claim are willing to step up to the straightforward challenge. How far is it from the centre of the Great Pyramid of Cheops (Khufu) at Giza, north to the coast of the Mediterranean? Why is this such a difficult question? 
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NosyNed
Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: 04-04-2003
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Message 81 of 124 (152130)
10-22-2004 8:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 80 by Lindum
10-22-2004 8:43 PM
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Re: WILLOWTREE?
Because WT never learned to read maps, is too intellecutally dishonest to admit being in error and doesn't even understand the concept of checking a source for error. This message has been edited by NosyNed, 10-22-2004 07:45 PM
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Cold Foreign Object 
Suspended Member (Idle past 3075 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 82 of 124 (152495)
10-24-2004 1:35 AM
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Message 5 http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/doctrine/gpawmm.htm
Piazzi Smyth also wrote that Egypt is in the geographical center of the dry habitable land mass of the whole earth. He demonstrated this with his chart: Equal Surface Projection of the Earths Sphere. Smyth explained that the amount of land surface east of the Great Pyramid is equal to the amount of land surface west of the Great Pyramid. Further, the amount of land surface north of Egypt is equal to the amount of land surface south of Egypt. There is another interesting fact to note: The Great Pyramid sits between the two major regions of our earth. The land east of the Mediterranean is called the Orient, while the land west of that point is called the Occident. This is why the eastern Mediterranean area is called the Middle East. It lies in the middle, between East and West. Percy writes: First, understand that all meridians are of equal length, since they all go pole to pole. This means that the land and sea distances added together equal the distance pole to pole. Any meridian which crosses the greatest amount of land must, by simple mathematics, cross the least amount of sea. Second, Lindum does not claim that his meridian crosses the greatest amount of land. He simply says that his meridian crosses more land than a meridian through the apex of the Great Pyramid, and that therefore the Great Pyramid meridian cannot be the longest land meridian. My message 5 evidence provides the close-up explanation of the Smyth claim. Now, what is the number of Lindum's LLM ? Is it made up special for this debate or did it already exist ? The GP was built at the center of land mass - how they know this ? I want to reintroduce measurements by Petrie - where can I do this ? sincerely, WT
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AdminNosy
Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: 11-11-2003
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Introducting measurements
The LLM measurements can go here. Any others should go into new threads to deal with them. You can suggest what regular forum they should be moved to.
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Percy
Member Posts: 22502 From: New Hampshire Joined: 12-23-2000 Member Rating: 4.9
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WillowTree writes: My message 5 evidence provides the close-up explanation of the Smyth claim. Your Message 5 is only a quote of Rutherford asserting that the GP lies on the longest land meridian. Actual evidence would take the form of measurements across land along the GP meridian.
Now, what is the number of Lindum's LLM ? Lindum's numbers can be found at Message 718.
Is it made up special for this debate or did it already exist ? The measurements were made by Lindum on contemporary maps for this debate.
The GP was built at the center of land mass - how they know this ? This is a separate topic. Please open a new thread if you'd like to discuss this.
I want to reintroduce measurements by Petrie - where can I do this ? You can do that in this thread if Petrie has numbers for the land meridian through the apex of the GP. Otherwise, you'll have to begin a new thread. If it helps get things started, here is the first item from Lindum's table, the distance from the GP apex to the Egyptian coast of the Mediterranean Sea along a meridian:
Longitude: 31.134458
Latitude Start: 29.978810
Latitude End: 31.595859
Distance (miles): 111.73 Please confirm whether or not you accept this measurement. --Percy
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3075 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 85 of 124 (153175)
10-26-2004 10:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 84 by Percy
10-24-2004 9:51 AM
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Lindum's numbers according to your own evidenciary standards are unsupported assertions. You cannot have it both ways: Rutherford, Cole, and Lemesurier tri-fold agreement on the height completely dismissed as fraud only because the evidence wholly supports the claims. Yet, the manufactured nonsense of Lindum instantly qualifies as respectable evidence even though none of you can produce any outside source to evidence-against. We have gone round and round about the center claim which you insist should be taken out of context from the center. You have ignored every explanation of Smyth's claim and insisted that the LLM is incorrect. By your own standards NOBODY can or should rely on Lindum yet the same reliance is not afforded to three separate persons and their evidence compiled and completely unified. I cannot and will not overlook this travesty. The irrefutable point is that all the other claims and their invincibility refute Lindum - this was my major conclusion here:
Oops! We ran into some problems. | Internet Infidels Discussion Board CONCLUSION Peter Lemesurier, in his book, expresses intolerance of Rutherford's evangelical renderings, but he totally endorses his measurements. This is an objective assessment. Lemesurier has proven the identical compatibility of secular surveyor J.H. Cole and Rutherford. This equates to tri-fold evidenciary agreement. Each layer of evidence stands on its own. Combine the layers and we have irrefutable evidence proving the GP to be the product of the God of Isaiah. SUPPOSE any given layer and its evidence is challenged via evidence that suggests it to be a little off. All the other layers SAY the evidence challenging the evidence in any particular layer to be incorrect. Each layer and its spectacular evidence guards the others from "refuting" evidence in any particular issue from being true and or dismantling the whole or any slice of the whole. IOW, the WHOLE disproves any micro-challenge to be incorrect. All the evidence is self-corroborating and intra-corroborating. The God of Isaiah built the Great Pyramid, which proves that all the claims of the written word/Bible to be true.
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Lindum
Member (Idle past 3425 days) Posts: 162 From: Colonia Lindensium Joined: 02-29-2004
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Hi WT. You have been given the means to qualify this as evidence in post #32 of this thread. Others have checked the measeurement and are in agreement to within a mile. Check the measeurement yourself! Cheers.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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What is Evidence?
Lindum's numbers according to your own evidenciary standards are unsupported assertions. Nonsense. Each and every one of us, well, all but one of us, can independently verify Lindum's figures. They are evidence, something you have yet to provide. Everything else in your post is off topic.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3075 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 88 of 124 (153231)
10-27-2004 12:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 87 by jar
10-26-2004 10:23 PM
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Re: What is Evidence?
Your post evades the points of my post. How is it that you can rely on a anonymous source such as Lindum but the three sources that confirm the height is not evidence ? Answer: Only because you cannot admit the evidence fully supports the claim. Massive double standard also called dishonesty. Lindum and company are offering what is called an idiot argument: Dare to say you do not understand and/or are unqualified to make a determination runs the risk of being refuted by the perceived shame of being called an idiot. Neither you or Ned or Percy or Lindum know what you are talking about. This I know because of how the evidence I posted in "Proof of God" and the instant chorus of "refutation" by denial = worldview speaking. Percy and you are fast at labeling something an unsupported assertion yet none of you have any source to support your claims while IGNORING the context of the claim which is a loose declaration that the GP was built in the center of land mass. Any objective person can ascertain that for themself.
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Cold Foreign Object
Suspended Member (Idle past 3075 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: 11-21-2003
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Message 89 of 124 (153234)
10-27-2004 12:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 86 by Lindum
10-26-2004 10:16 PM
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Check the measeurement yourself! Nobody can confirm your claim - it is invulnerable. 300 and some ought miles determined by a biased person with a ruler is anything but scientific. This is atheist numerology - hiding behind a complicated set of numbers which cannot be falsified either way. Funny how you accept your own measurements but the tri-fold height measurements are summarily rejected = hypocrite protecting the dogma of their worldview = ignoring evidence.
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jar
Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What is Evidence?
How is it that you can rely on a anonymous source such as Lindum but the three sources that confirm the height is not evidence ? Well, the answer is that I did the measurements on my own and came out with a figure that was within 50 feet of what Lindum got.
Answer: Only because you cannot admit the evidence fully supports the claim. LOL The whole point of this thread is that you have been unable to post ANY evidence in ANY thread yet. So, all you need to do is check the math. Check the math.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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