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Author Topic:   The third rampage of evolutionism: evolutionary pscyhology
Dan Carroll
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Message 57 of 236 (181112)
01-27-2005 1:54 PM


The millionth rampage of Syamsu
Forum: Darwnist Ideology 02-10-2004
John T. Scopes, guilty, guilty, guilty 08-23-2003
Destroying Darwinism 05-18-2003
Darwinism and Nazism 12-09-2002
Darwinist language 11-18-2002
Falsification theory of Natural Selection 05-24-2002
For almost. three. frikkin'. years. Syamsu has been promoting his nonsense about the "judgemental language" of Darwinism leading to eeeeevil.
And for almost. three. frikkin'. years. Syamsu has gotten his ass handed to him on a shiny silver platter. Mainly because his arguments invariably rely on:
1) Referencing books he hasn't read.
2) Insisting on new definitions for established words and phrases.
3) His personal disdain for an idea.
4) Accusing others of being prejudiced against his ideas, without actually addressing their counter-arguments.
5) Attributing moral agendas to fields where morality has no relevance.
6) Insisting that his guesswork/opinion is objective fact.
Anyway... anyone who wants to keep arguing him, knock yourselves out. But reading this thread gives me a really nauseating sense of deja vu. Many, many times over. You can save yourself a lot of time by reading those old threads and realizing, "Oh... he's already had this explained to him, very patiently, several times over." (Albeit with rapidly decreasing patience as the years go on.)

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river, infidels shiver In the stench of belief
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late
I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
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Message 63 of 236 (181311)
01-28-2005 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Parsimonious_Razor
01-28-2005 12:50 AM


Re: The millionth rampage of Syamsu
But I had to try it once just to see how, morbid curiosity.
Syamsu: the digital equivalent of going down on your room-mate and then pretending it never happened.
But next time, just poke him with a stick a couple times. You get the same results as you would if you laid out thoughtful, respectful arguments, and it's a lot more fun.

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river, infidels shiver In the stench of belief
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late
I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
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Message 65 of 236 (181328)
01-28-2005 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Mammuthus
01-28-2005 10:07 AM


Re: The millionth rampage of Syamsu
The spatial dimension which the failed tenets of physics have labelled "up" are meaningless to this discussion. Josef Stalin, Mao Tse-tung, and Adolf Hitler all recognized "up" as a valid direction in which one could travel.
The meaning of "up" is at the core of this debate. Your failure to recognize the failed and prejudiced nature of "up" is your downfall. For you to ignore the effect of "up" on ethnic cleansings throughout history is irresponsible, and delusional.

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Dan Carroll
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Message 68 of 236 (181352)
01-28-2005 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Syamsu
01-28-2005 10:53 AM


Sharpen 'em up, boys... it's stick-pokin' time.
You might want to put up some safeguard, to not end up like Konrad Lorenz and a group of fellow psychologists, breaking up families and sending the non-German looking ones to a concentration camp. (Ute Deichmann, Biologists under Hitler)
While this may seem like a ridiculous idea to the layperson, you must keep in mind that to Syamsu, the idea of simply "not being a dick" is strange, and alien. In Syamsu's world, if you are able to justify the murder of millions of people, then no matter how flimsy and illogical your justification, you will murder millions of people. This holocaust will exist in a vacuum... there will be no larger social and political events that may have contributed to the cause... the fact that you allowed yourself to think of evolution in failed Darwinian terms will be to blame.
But there is hope! If you carefully avoid any of the ideas that so obviously cause the evil which plague the souls of men, your mind will stay clean, scoured, and pure! Removing the words "competition" and "selfish" from all fields of scientific inquiry will ensure that no one ever thinks an evil thought, and then we will all live in a shiny, happy world, where nobody's puppy ever has to die.
When you say that randomness precludes choices, you are obviously totally ignorant about choice as a matter of things going one way or the other.
Ah... another one that probably needs a little explanation before the man-on-the-street can understand. In Syamsuland, if you disagree with Syamsu, then you are obviously totally ignorant. It doesn't matter how much "evidence" or "research" or "basic 101 course logic" you put into your disagreement... do not attempt to refute the judgement of total ignorance, as this will only make your total ignorance more obvious. Accept it, make the necessary changes to your way of thinking, and move on from there.
This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 01-28-2005 11:52 AM

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river, infidels shiver In the stench of belief
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late
I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 74 of 236 (182024)
01-31-2005 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Syamsu
01-28-2005 10:57 PM


It is an established fact among mainstream historians that the Darwinian revolution
That would be when the Bolsheviks looted the Galapagos Islands, right?
the most lethal component of nazi-ideology was it's predeterminist characteristic. Predetermination by blood, and by misconceived laws of nature.
And of course, we've been back and forth around the mulberry bush about fifty kajillion times about the fact that use of Christianity was a big component in this predeterminist characteristic, as was Darwinism, as could have been any idea the Nazis wanted to twist for their own ends.
You unchanging answer seems to be that no, only Darwinism counts, and that it's just asinine to suggest that anything else in the world had anything to do with it. Oh, and that you're being totally reasonable. Because all the evidence is in your favor. Evidence which, apparently, has been stolen by elite agents of the royal family... to prevent you from exposing the truth about the Illuminati snake demons, and their mind control technology.
As before my argument is strong, the evidence clear, as far as I can tell.
And remember... if you think something's obviously, objectively true, and no one else sees it, even after listening to you lay out your case in its entirety, then it's clearly everyone else who's wrong. That's not the first big sign of insanity. Life really is that much like a Twilight Zone episode.
For what reason you don't support investigation into things going one way or another, as a matter of urgent ethical import, is quite beyond me.
As soon as you support investigation into the idea that if I sneeze really hard, fire will shoot out my ass. There's no reason to think it might be the case... all the available evidence is against it... and ultimately, it boils down to nothing more than my own personal obsession. But why you don't support it is beyond me.
There seems to be no reasonability in your position, only scientism.
See my first post on this thread, Syamsu. You pissed away any shot at reason and respect a long time ago. Now it's just more fun to poke you.
It was offered some time ago by a scientist that the yelps of a dog when they cut through the nerves should just be considered as the chimes of a machine. Basically that is just what modernday evolutionary psycholigists are saying, when they say that emotions are just machine-mechanisms, that there is no free will in them.
And of course, you've reached your own personal conclusions about the implications of this idea, and you don't like those conclusions, so you'd like the facts changed to better suit what you would like reality to be. Got it.
Ah... that reminds me of one of my favorite Syamsu moments... the time you laid out two theories, and asked me what the better one would be. When I responded that the better theory was the one better supported by the evidence, you changed the subject.
Good times.

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river, infidels shiver In the stench of belief
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late
I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 75 of 236 (182025)
01-31-2005 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Syamsu
01-29-2005 9:26 PM


Most all of this I told you several times before, so please don't bring it up again ignoring my counterarguments.
Today's Syamsu post is brought to you by the letter I.

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river, infidels shiver In the stench of belief
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late
I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 77 of 236 (182182)
01-31-2005 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Syamsu
01-31-2005 10:07 PM


So I think a movement to force evolutionary psychologists to study choice, (choice as a matter of things going one way or another), and not just pay meaningless lipservice to the concept of choice, would be very popular in academics.
I love the idea of something so popular that you have to force people into it.
I also love the idea of forcing people to think a certain way. It's absolutely precious.
Your reply is just meaningless characterassassination, you have no point. Neither is Wounded King's post worth considering, when he asks why I think unity is a bad wordchoice, when I told him why in the post he was replying to.
Ut! He's got us, WK! He said we were not worth considering! That makes it true!
You keep poking me, and that's all.
Aaaaaand... the last horse finally crosses the finish line.

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river, infidels shiver In the stench of belief
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late
I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 94 of 236 (182531)
02-02-2005 9:30 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Syamsu
02-02-2005 5:10 AM


A "probability reaching unity" is mentioned about 22 times on google.
And "clitoris" is mentioned roughly 2,420,000 times. We'll see which one the students of the world get worked up about first.

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river, infidels shiver In the stench of belief
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late
I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 96 of 236 (182548)
02-02-2005 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Syamsu
02-02-2005 11:05 AM


What is needed is
You forgot:
6 - A demonstrable causal link between real world events and your pet obsessions.

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river, infidels shiver In the stench of belief
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late
I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 99 of 236 (182554)
02-02-2005 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by Mammuthus
02-02-2005 11:39 AM


Even the slightest hint that Syamsu has any idea about the subjects he is talking about.
Yeah, let's get the guy crawling before we ask him to walk.
This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 02-02-2005 11:48 AM

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 117 of 236 (182809)
02-03-2005 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Syamsu
02-03-2005 1:31 AM


Let's be clear that you and Mammuthus are as ignorant about it as the rest of scientists generally.
Syamsu, I will happily admit to being utterly ignorant of the crazed processes that churn and curdle in your very strange mind.
But there's hope. If you ever find me in the alley behind a 7-11, covered in what I hope is my own waste, mumbling something about the reptile demons based in Area 51, then you might wanna try running your ideas by me again.

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river, infidels shiver In the stench of belief
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late
I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 121 of 236 (182825)
02-03-2005 10:00 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Syamsu
02-03-2005 9:52 AM


Mainly the one where you think that repeating an idea over and over again without backing it up will give it additional strength.
If you're gonna do that, at the very least you could work up a mantra for it. Here, I'll put one together for you.
"Doraw-nosam-cuteh-lot". Enjoy, and don't say I never gave ya' nothing.

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river, infidels shiver In the stench of belief
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late
I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 159 of 236 (183669)
02-07-2005 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 155 by Quetzal
02-06-2005 9:19 PM


People like Dan and Mammuthus only do it out of some perverse sense of humor.
Just because it gives me an erection doesn't mean it's perverse.

"Egos drone and pose alone, Like black balloons, all banged and blown
On a backwards river, infidels shiver In the stench of belief
And tell my mama I'm a hundred years late
I'm over the rails and out of the race
The crippled psalms of an age that won't thaw ringing in my ears"
-Beck

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 184 of 236 (189444)
03-01-2005 11:21 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by Wounded King
03-01-2005 11:13 AM


You still have yet to show any way in which this is a coherent argument.
Gasp.

"Creationists make it sound as though a theory is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night."
-Isaac Asimov

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