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Message 346 of 405 (454857)
02-08-2008 9:31 PM


About Keeping This Thread Open
This thread is way past 300 posts, but as long as the discussion remains productive I don't see why this thread can't stay open. But is it productive? Sometimes I feel like the cosmological questions are serious, other times I feel like some here are playing at, "Let's ask the cosmologists meaningless annoying questions," and have no goal of actually understanding anything.
I leave it to the cosmologists to decide. If you think it worthwhile, I'll leave the thread open.

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Message 400 of 405 (455068)
02-10-2008 5:20 AM


Should This Thread Remain Open
Around 50 posts ago I asked those attempting to explain the universe around the time of T=0 if it was worthwhile keeping this thread open. I think everyone can appreciate the effort, but it might do well to keep in mind the full quote from which Isaac Asimov drew the title of his book, The Gods Themselves.
If things soon take a turn for the better I can keep this thread open, but otherwise I think this thread has run its course.

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Message 405 of 405 (455083)
02-10-2008 8:19 AM


Closing Assessment
When I originally began this site I intended that debate threads should close with an assessment by the moderator. As things have worked out most threads do not have any consistent moderation (I never imagined that there would be so many simultaneously active threads), and I haven't really moderated this thread though I think I've read all of it, but in any case, I'd like to offer an assessment.
One of the most wonderful qualities of the Internet is venues where those who want to learn can ask questions. It isn't uncommon to have the good fortune to find someone who knows a great deal about what you want to know, and that is certainly true of this thread, whose participants included a couple true cosmological experts and several sufficiently competent amateurs given the level of this discussion.
Those asking the cosmological questions could have learned a great deal, and perhaps they even did, no way to be sure at this point, but what this thread makes clear is that you can only explain something to someone who already believes it is true. If they believe it is false then they'll find every excuse and opportunity to avoid reaching an understanding.
But this practice isn't unique to those approaching science from a spiritual perspective, it is also true of the reverse, as we often see when science minded folks ask Christians about the Trinity.
So the problem becomes how do you explain something to someone who doesn't believe it and only wants to disprove it? We can argue that one doesn't have to accept it, just understand it, but this turns out not to be so easy to do, for anyone from either side of this debate.

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