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Author Topic:   Big Bang...How Did it Happen?
jar
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Message 216 of 414 (137273)
08-27-2004 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by suaverider
08-27-2004 12:33 AM


Re: Oh boy this is hard work...
Yes the theory was invented so people could sin and believe there was no punishment to come from this and maybe so they could pretend to be GOD but I tell you that you will find out someday so you better be sure of yourselves because then it will be to late there is still time to be saved if you care about your eternal destiny.
What in the world are you talking about?
First, almost all Christian Churches accept both Evolution and the Big Bang. There is no conflict between either theory and Christianity.
Religion deals with WHY, not with HOW.
So back to the question, do you know why the Big Bang theory was developed?
Do you understand how any theory is developed?

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jar
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Message 228 of 414 (137514)
08-27-2004 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by suaverider
08-27-2004 8:19 PM


Re: Oh boy this is hard work...
You really need to learn how to use the quote feature.
jar writes:
First, almost all Christian Churches accept both Evolution and the Big Bang. There is no conflict between either theory and Christianity.
suaverider responded
quote:
Well to start with that is false evolution teaches death brought man into the world the BIBLE THE WORD OF GOD teaches man brought death into the world through sin. The bible says in the beginning not in a million years. GOD created all things in six days and rested on the seventh because creation was done and for us to work six days and rest on the Sabbath. That's only a few conflicts.
You really need to start checking your facts before making a statement like that.
Here is a partial list of the Churches that have supported Evolution and that oppose Creationism.
Religions Supporting Evolution
These churches and religious organizations have come out in opposition to teaching creationism in school:
* American Jewish Congress
* American Scientific Affiliation
* Center For Theology And The Natural Sciences
* Central Conference Of American Rabbis
* Episcopal Bishop Of Atlanta, Pastoral Letter
* The General Convention Of The Episcopal Church
* Lexington Alliance Of Religious Leaders
* The Lutheran World Federation
* Roman Catholic Church
* Unitarian Universalist Association
* United Church Board For Homeland Ministries
* United Methodist Church
* United Presbyterian Church In The U.S.A.
In addition, as has been explained to you, the originator of what became known as the Big Bang Theory was a Catholic priest. The biggest single objection to the idea was that it was too religious in nature.
edited to add:
Here's a link to a short introduction to Lemaitre & the Big Bang from a Christian Site
This message has been edited by jar, 08-27-2004 07:58 PM

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jar
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Message 230 of 414 (137520)
08-27-2004 9:33 PM
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08-27-2004 9:22 PM


Re: Oh boy this is hard work...
suaverider said
quote:
But there are many false religions out there.
Well, here is what Pope John Paul II had to say about the issue...
"Sacred scripture wishes simply to declare that the world was created by God, and in order to teach this truth it expressed itself in terms of the cosmology in use at the time of the writer. Any other teaching about the origin and makeup of the universe is so alien to the intentions of the Bible, which does not wish to teach how heaven was made but how one goes to heaven."
and Bishop Sims, the Episcopal Bishop for the Dioscese of Atlanta said,
"Evolution represents the best formulation of the knowledge that creation has disclosed to us, but it is the latest word from science, not the last. If the world is not God's then the most eloquent or belligerent arguments will not make it so. If it is God's world ... then faith has no fear of anything the world itself reveals to the searching eye of science. Insistence upon dated and partially contradictory statements of how as conditions for the true belief in the why of creation cannot qualify either as faithful religion or as intelligent science."
while The Reverend Bevel Jones, Bishop of the Methodist Church in Georgia said,
"Regardless of what it is called, scientific creationist is faith attempting to be science. It is a mistake to try to use the Bible as a textbook of science. The creation story is neither empirical science nor recorded history. It is a religious interpretation divinely inspired in a prescientific age. Those who take the Book of Genesis literally are at liberty to do so. They have a perfect right to hold those views, and to express them as persuasively as they can. But they do not have the right to require science teachers to do so in the public schools."
I would hardly clasify them as false religions. LOL

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jar
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Message 232 of 414 (137526)
08-27-2004 10:03 PM
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08-27-2004 9:48 PM


Re: Oh boy this is hard work...
Yeah but coming from nothing that exploded that then came alive makes so much more sense. how does that deserve to be taught and my belief doesn't.
That is easy to answer but this is not the thread for that.
Start a thread or join one of the existing discussions on that subject.
This is on "How Did it Happen", and a very good start is with the material I pointed you towards. Later, if you want more information, I'm sure that with the help of the folks here, we can point you towards additional sources.

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jar
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Message 239 of 414 (137544)
08-27-2004 11:27 PM
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08-27-2004 11:20 PM


Re: Oh boy this is hard work...
Isaiah 40:22
22: It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in
shows the earth as a flat circle and the heavens as simply as a single dimensional sheet.
Hardly comparable to modern cosmology but about what you would expect for the time. This is simply another example, like Genesis, of people trying to explain things in terms appropriate for the age. It's yet another example of why the Bible cannot be taken as a science text.

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jar
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Message 242 of 414 (137547)
08-27-2004 11:37 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by suaverider
08-27-2004 11:32 PM


Re: Oh boy this is hard work...
It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the earth a circle is not flat its round.
Sorry Charlie, it's flat. It is not a sphere. It is a circle.
Look, all the stuff you've brought up has been discussed at length. But none of it belongs in this thread. If you want to discuss those asides then take it to the proper thread. Better yet, take some time and review what's here. They have all been discussed again and again and so far no one has been able to defend even one of them.
This thread is on the Big Bang...How did it happen.
All else is off topic.

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jar
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Message 245 of 414 (137558)
08-28-2004 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by suaverider
08-27-2004 11:52 PM


Re: Oh boy this is hard work...
1. Where did the space for the universe come from?
2. Where did matter come from?
Those are the only two issues that relate to the Big Bang, so the rest need to go to the appropriate thread.
The first really doesn't have any meaning yet. There are some mathmatical models that seem to require something outside the universe but so far we have no way to test them directly.
The second also doesn't have any meaning either. It was.

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jar
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Message 247 of 414 (137565)
08-28-2004 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 246 by suaverider
08-28-2004 12:10 AM


Re: Oh boy this is hard work...
I didn't say there was nothing.
also if something outside did something to cause this how did it get there and so on and so on..
IMHO, that is a valid question. As a Christian I believe that GOD did create the Universe and if there are other universes, that they are within GOD and GOD is within them.
The more we look, the more beautiful and intricate everything is. I believe that we can see GOD in the details. The HOW is the provence of Science and as we learn more, we will begin to understand how GOD did it.

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jar
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Message 264 of 414 (137615)
08-28-2004 11:45 AM
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08-28-2004 11:38 AM


You need to do more than just cut and paste, even with attribution. We discuss things here and you are expected to make and defend your point of view. Afterall, we are not debating some web page.

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Message 316 of 414 (137721)
08-28-2004 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Christian7
08-28-2004 5:57 PM


SInce this thread is on the Big Bang and we have already mentioned Lematre, you might want to start at this page for some of the early math. Please remember that this is only an early effort, from arouond 75 years ago. But it will give you a place to get started if you really want to understand it.

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