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Author Topic:   The Big Bang is NOT Scientific
coffee_addict
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Message 11 of 301 (203176)
04-27-2005 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by lost-apathy
04-24-2005 1:25 PM


Cranky mode
AS writes:
To all participants in this thread: please show restraint in your manner of engagement. Moderators are likely to take a dim view of anyone who merely rants in response to this thread.
Ok, I'll try.
lost=apathy writes:
Ok now after reading through the forums a little I decided to start a new topic.
It should be noted that what is presented as scientific evidence is almost always not limited to discussion forums. It takes a life time for a person to research and study the evidence in science. The least you could do is show some respect.
The theory that space and time were created with the big bang does not make sense at all. The evidence supporting the big bang only pertain to matter. The redshifts are based on observations made on matter not space or time.
I'm curious to what you know about the redshift. What does the redshift indicate? How does redshift support the big bang theory?
The reason I'm asking you these questions is because I don't really know where you're going with this argument. You need to be more specific before we can advance any further.
Matter and space for one are two different things. We cannot see space, cannot test it, and is basically nothing. According to current science there is no way to change space. Matter is the only observable thing in this universe, making time and space two completely different subjects, which in turn make it impossible to prove that space and time is changable by observing matter.
How do you explain the michelson-morley experiment? What about the time dilation effect on the GPS satellites? Read this link.
But what I do not understand is why the big bang is accepted so much in the scientific community. It seems like humans are extremely limited to what we can see, for all we know billions of big bangs might be going on in the universe right now.(Without the space time idea)
Because it made predictions that have been proven accurate years after they were made.
Science is only based on the observable, what is not observable is not science. This in turn makes the big bang theory not science at all, more of a religion.
But we do observe many evidence of it, though.
Your understanding of what science is is very limited. Perhaps you should have asked questions rather than making assertions that are just wrong.
Who agrees?
At this point, I would ask that all who agree with lost-apathy to respond with an "aye".

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coffee_addict
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Message 18 of 301 (203196)
04-27-2005 10:41 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by lost-apathy
04-27-2005 10:12 PM


Re: Cranky mode
The reason I asked those questions wasn't to find out how much you can quote from people. I wanted to see how much you know about these things before we can proceed. You must understand my precautions. I don't like talking to deaf ears or blind eyes. I've talked to many people before only to find out after a while that they had no clue what I was talking about.
So, again, please tell us what part of red shift supposedly supported big bang.
Added by edit.
By the way, your link gave me the following page.
I really don't see what this has to do with what we are talking about.
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coffee_addict
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Message 36 of 301 (203490)
04-28-2005 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Sylas
04-28-2005 8:51 PM


Re: Tests of relativity
Looks more and more to me like he doesn't really read or pay attention to everything and only pick and choose what he sees to reinforce his preconceived notions. I had a bad feeling when I posted the link.

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coffee_addict
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Message 64 of 301 (204047)
05-01-2005 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by lost-apathy
04-30-2005 1:17 AM


Re: Observations, Philosophy, and Lost Apathy
lost writes:
Yes I am not very knowledgable about relativity, but I doubt anyone here on the forums knows the math to general relativity making us all somewhat ignorant to the topic.
Just so you know, at least one person you have conversed with in this thread (who have disagreed with you) is a PhD physicist. Try to guess which one(s). There are more than a few in this thread who hold PhD of some various fields of science.
The number of PhD's on this forum probably equal the number of non-PhD's. So please don't assume the rest of us are dumbasses who have our heads inside our asses all day long.
As for getting off topic I am sorry I am trying to answer all the questions I can but arguing with 5 people at a time is very hard when I only have limited time. I've honestly wanted to post all day today but just couldn't.
You are suffering from what is known here as a pile-on. It usually happens when some smartass who memorized 2 words from his high school text book and thinks he could impress everybody with them makes incredible and rediculous claims. People like to pile on because it's fun, amusing, and easy to.
Since you haven't really addressed my points earlier without misrepresenting the material I posted, I think I'll sit out and watch this one from now on.

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coffee_addict
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Message 66 of 301 (205140)
05-05-2005 2:08 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by lost-apathy
04-30-2005 8:06 AM


Re: Observations, Philosophy, and Lost Apathy
Just in case you're still here, you might be interested in reading the news article I'm linking to.
ABC.net.au: Page Not Found

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coffee_addict
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Message 68 of 301 (205368)
05-05-2005 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Sylas
05-05-2005 2:30 AM


Re: Observations, Philosophy, and Lost Apathy
Sylas, one of these days...

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