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godsriddle
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Message 43 of 159 (489295)
11-26-2008 12:49 AM


Redshift caused by a priori assumption
Emmanuel Kant claimed that we build our knowledge of the physical world on the pictures we already have in mind - a priori. "A priori” have a subjective, synthetic origin. They are pre-existing inventions of our minds that we use as the foundation for deductive knowledge.
Modern scientists are not Kantian. They are empiricists. They hold that mathematics is analytic, not based on synthetic principles. According to this view, knowledge is inductive, not deductive. We start with innumerable facts and measurements and then arrive at general laws and principles.
Kant, however, is right. Even science has a first principle. What is the scientific first principle? The Bible predicted that in the last days false teachers will come saying "panta outos diamenei" - all things remain the same in being. History shows that science was founded on Aristotle's assumption that matter is unchanging in being.
What does this have to do with redshift? Redshift is a scientific myth - a deduction that stems from the scientific first principle. What is it? The assumption that the properties of matter are not emergent.
Yet we can see the past with sight. No perpetual motion atoms are visible. Yet every scientist believes that atoms are perpetual motion machines because they are the basis of their operationally defined units, their mathematics and their methods. The scientific universe is the most mythical universe ever invented. It is 99% invisible. According to scientists, the vacuum is adjusting the frequency of all ancient light. The vacuum is moving galaxies to clos to the speed of light. The vacuum is crammed full of invisible matter, invisible holes, invisible energies that repelenish themselves out of the vacuum.
Why is the scientific universe so mythical? Because they never go back and examine their historical a priori - which the pagan Greeks called arche - first principles. With one single assumption we can eliminate all the cosmological myths. How? Just accept what is visible as fact. No perpetual motion atoms are visible in billions of distant galaxies. Every atom in the whole universe, every atomic clock, is changing as it ages. We even see a biblical cosmic history with sight as billions of galaxies grew into huge growth spirals. First principles really are important. The modern first principle is the foundation for how scientists think, measure and mathematicate. Think about it.

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godsriddle
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Message 61 of 159 (489345)
11-26-2008 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by DevilsAdvocate
11-26-2008 7:33 AM


Re: Redshift caused by a priori assumption
A first principle, a priori - as Kant called it - is a basic, elementary assumption. The definitions, systems of measuring, methods, mathematics, laws and principles of science were all historically constructed on this foundational assumption. An arche - first principle - cannot be examined using the system that was built upon it - because that is begging the question - circular reasoning and circular measuring.
How did this little elementary idea become the basis for modern science? The pagan Greeks debated for generations seeking for an arche, a first principle, to serve as the foundation for a naturalistic science. The problem they struggled with was - how can we invent science if matter is itself changing? Each school of philosophy tried to interpret nature with their own unique solution to this problem. Aristotle’s solution was that we must just assume that the properties of matter are not emergent. He commanded his disciples to build all knowledge on changelessness, even though none is observed. His arche did not fly in antiquity, probably because it violated the earth-histories of all ancient people. Fifteen hundred years later, friar Thomas Aquinas convinced the popes and universities of Europe (which were all catholic in that era) to build their structure of knowledge on Aristotle’s metaphysics - that matter does not change its essence - its being. The rest is history. Eventually Aristotle’s physics failed, but his metaphysics became the basis of the modern empirical system.
The idea that the properties of matter are not emergent is now the foundation of almost everything a scientist measures, lawyers and mathematicates. The assumption is visibly false. The properties of matter are observed, visibly, to change relationally throughout the history of the universe. To preserve their dogma that matter is not always changing itself, scientists fill the universe up with myths about invisible things. Their greatest myth is the ridiculous notion that a tiny bit of vacuum exploded and created everything out of nothing.
The sad truth is that modern scientists never examine their first principle. Most of them are not even aware of its historical importance. They are not even aware that their empirical system can work locally if its first principle is false - but it would not work in the distant past. Why? Because the entire structure of scientific rationality was built on a single assumption. If matter is changing itself, their units, definitions, formulas would all track with the local changes in matter. However, they could not mathematically model he long ago past without filling the universe up with mythical things to try and force it to fit their creed.
Yet Peter, a disciple of Jesus, predicted this idea. He even said it was the first, the most important thing to know about the end time false teachers. He even explained how they will obfuscate geology and astronomy with this idea. Think about it.

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godsriddle
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Message 62 of 159 (489347)
11-26-2008 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by DevilsAdvocate
11-26-2008 7:33 AM


Re: Redshift caused by a priori assumption
What is a "perpetual motion atom"? Please explain, as I am not familiar with that term. My understanding is that the concept of perpetual motion contradicts the laws of thermodynamics in that it is saying that in a closed system the law of the conservation of energy is not preserved. You will need to explain how this applies to individual atoms? Please expound. Please stay scientific and not get all metaphysical with your explanation.
That is my term. Scientists do not verbally state that atoms are perpetual motion machines. Yet they assume it. By international agreement, the primary unit in science it the second. A second is operationally defined. By definition 9,192,631,770 microwave pulses from cesium 133 is a "fixed-length" second. Yet no clock can compare previous seconds with current ones. Scientists use seconds to operationally define other symbolical units for length, force, acceleration, mass, energy and gravity. Yet every single atomic clock in the distant universe clocked a different frequency than modern atoms and the differences generally increase with distance.
To preserve their system that was built on the assumption - that the properties of matter do not change relationally with age - scientists fill the universe up with invisible things. By their own admission, their universe is 99% invisible. Their greatest myth is the big bang. The big bang is a myth designed to protect their creed that all matter is not changing relationally.
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godsriddle
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Message 65 of 159 (489352)
11-26-2008 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by DevilsAdvocate
11-26-2008 7:52 AM


Re: Redshift caused by a priori assumption
Please provide evidence for your assertion.
BTW, science does not claim to know all the answers. The mission of science is to find the questions and the answers. Just because science cannot explain why the universe came into existence does not negate all the evidence of how it functions.
According to Thomas Kuhn, science is a collection of beliefs. He called this collection a paradigm, a system of faith about physical reality.
quote:
Kuhn: No natural history can be interpreted in the absence of at least some implicit body of intertwined theoretical and methodological belief that permits selection, evaluation, and criticism.
The scientific paradigm informs scientists about what it means to do science. Kuhn claimed that scientists are conservative thinkers. They are in the business of solving problems in the manner they were taught. Their training informs them about what is a problem, what constitutes evidence, how to gather evidence and how to solve the problem using the techniques and definitions supplied to them by their scientific paradigm.
quote:
Kuhn: The man who is striving to solve a problem defined by existing knowledge and technique is not just looking around. He knows what he wants to achieve, and he designs his instruments and directs his thoughts accordingly.
Biblical physics is not like scientific physics. It is simple. It does not use mathematical formulas or symbolical ways of measuring. It has only one basic idea - stated in Greek by the Apostle Paul: the whole creation is in bondage to phthora - fundamental change. Biblical physics is confirmed with sight. We see the past all the way back to the creation of the universe. The visible history of the universe fits biblical physics and biblical description of how God created the heavens - visibly.
The most powerful evidence for biblical physics is how the galaxies formed. Primordial galaxies were tiny, packed with stars. The earliest ones did not have extensions - arms or diffuse structures. They were naked. They are often seen in equally spaced strings - evidently the beginning of galaxy clusters as they moved out, spread out. When we compare billions of spiral galaxies at many ranges - we see how they grew into huge growth spirals as the properties of all matter keep on changing relationally. Biblical cosmic history has visible support - unlike the myths of scientific cosmologies that all supported by invisible matter, vacuous processes and the explosion of a tiny bit of vacuum.

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godsriddle
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Message 70 of 159 (489363)
11-26-2008 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by rueh
11-26-2008 1:25 PM


Re: Redshift caused by a priori assumption
Could you provide a property of matter that has been shown to change with age?
Scientist define the properties of matter with their historical first principle - their assumption that the properties of matter are not emergent. For example, atoms have spectral signatures that are used to define linear time, which in turn is used for mass, velocities, gravity etc. What if matter is changing relationally? Relational changes are where the properties change in unison - together.
1. Relational changes cannot be defined with precision.
2. They cannot even be measured with precision because even the instruments, the formulas and the units and the “constants” would track with the changes. For example, if all matter is changing relationally, both sides of a balance scale would change equally.
We see the past with sight. The properties of all matter are observed to change relationally as billions of galaxies spread out - grow into huge growth spirals - in defiance of every law and principle of science. It is because of this visible evidence that scientists must invent myths about exploding vacuums, vacuums that move galaxies, vacuums that are filled with invisible matter, vacuums that adjust the frequencies of distant atomic clocks. They even claim that invisible matter adjusts distant vistas so the what is visible is not real. That is a most powerful blind dogma indeed.
In what ways is this not effectively dwelt with by general/special relativity?
General and special relativity are at their heart Aristotlean ideas. They are based on the assumption that the properties of matter are not emergent - that atoms do not normally and continually change with age. In Einstein’s system, clocks can change speed due to proximity to massive objects etc. How do we know what is the real time if clocks can change speed? Einstein substitutes invariant clock time with invariant equation time. Yet countless atomic clocks throughout the vast universe keep on accelerating with age. No perpetual motion atoms are visible. We even sent Pioneer 10 and 11 out of the solar system with calibrated clocks in opposite directions. Their clock signals generated two different radio frequencies. The received frequencies continued to decrease as referenced by the Deep Space Networks precision clocks WITH DISTANCE - not speed (Doppler). The farther from the past the signal came, the slower it was compared to local clocks. Apparently all clocks in the universe are accelerating - local clocks are generally the fastest. Primordial atomic clocks clocked minuscule frequencies compared to local atoms. How can scientists explain this without inventing myths about invisible things?

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godsriddle
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Message 82 of 159 (489399)
11-26-2008 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by cavediver
11-26-2008 1:54 PM


Re: Redshift caused by a priori assumption
Tell me, how does biblical physics compare to Quaranic phsyics and... no, on second thoughts, don't bother. There's only so much idiocy I can tolerate.
I have only brief exposure to the physics of the Quran, so I am not qualified to answer for their ideas. Biblical physics is extremely simple. It has no complex forms of measuring nor difficult mathematics. It is not based on the ideas of pagan Greeks - like modern science. It is based on the simple, literal words of the Bible. However, Biblical physics has simple explanations. Indeed the quantum evidence supports biblical physics.
At first Elohim finished creating (bara - completed action) the heavens and the earth- all of it (et). At first darkness covered the primordial abyss (tehom). All matter everywhere was formless (tohu) and empty: a vacuity (bohu). Then Elohim moved across the face (paniym) of the transitory thing (mayim) and commanded light (owr) to be. It was then that the form of all matter was actualized by light. Light is the most active thing known, the fastest thing in the universe. Matter is not static substance - but a dynamic relationship with light.
Does matter remain unchanging in being over the ages? Not in this universe. We can see the past with sight. The light from countless atoms at many ranges visibly changes its properties throughout the universe’s visible history. Apparently ancient atoms were tiny scale models of modern ones - since they gleamed at minuscule frequencies that are ratios of the gleaming of local atoms. How can we verify locally that ancient atoms were minuscule? The Bible states three times that the Earth spreads out in unbroken continuity and even that which comes out from the Earth also spreads out. A huge expansion seam runs through every ocean. Fresh basalt keeps on coming out of the seam and spreading out the Earth. Two thirds of the Earth’s surface is younger than the continents. The continents only fit back on a minuscule globe. Subduction is clearly a scientific myth - since the ocean trenches have soft layered sediments.
Biblical physics is not for dropping bombs or building computers - but for accepting the visible history of the universe - simply.

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godsriddle
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Message 85 of 159 (489404)
11-26-2008 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Coyote
11-26-2008 1:16 PM


Re: Redshift caused by a priori assumption
So you are suggesting that, since science is based on a flawed assumption, we turn to religion? Most likely your particular brand of religion?
Don't you realize that all religion resolves back to "Trust me!" at some point? I am not willing to trust the word of shamans, whether contemporary or having lived several thousand years ago. They have not been shown to be a very trustworthy lot on the whole.
I'll stick with science, and if there are truly problems with our methods we'll see if we can't work them out.
You can’t fix a system that is based on a false first principle. Why not? Because the whole structure from beginning to end fails all at once. Science is a dogmatic religion. It is based on the creed that matter is not changing as it ages.
How can you be sure that science is based on a blind creed - a faith without any evidentiary foundation? Scientific cosmologies are the most absurd myths ever invented.
1. A tiny bit of vacuum exploded and created everything out of nothing.
2. At first this vacuum formed a hot soup that moved faster than light. Ever seen anything move faster than light?
3. Eventually the soup slowed down and formed atoms. From that moment, atoms became perpetual motion machines. Ever seen anything that keeps on dithering around and yet by definition is said to never change its clock rates - atoms?
4. The galaxies were formed as invisible matter formed a halo around every galaxy. The amount of invisible matter in the universe is far more than visible stuff. Yet the invisible stuff congregates around every galaxy - in unique amounts and shapes. It is this invisible matter that caused galaxies to form.
5. Other invisible properties of the vacuum are called forth by the scientific faith in perpetual motion atoms. They actually believe that the vacuum of space adjusts the frequency of all light as it passes through the void.
And you claim to trust science because it is not based on faith. Amazing!

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godsriddle
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Message 88 of 159 (489407)
11-26-2008 7:42 PM
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11-26-2008 7:20 PM


Re: Redshift caused by a priori assumption
Ah, I think I see the root of the problem. You are confusing physics with mysticism. One is a science, the other is woo. One is supported by evidence, the other is supported by faith, in other words the lack of evidence.
What scientists consider evidence and what they rejected as non evidence is itself based on the scientific first principle. Only things that fit the scientific creed that matter is not changing itself are considered evidence.
Biblical physics is not mystical at all. Mystical has to do with things that have a spiritual significance that transcends human understanding - such as in Platonism. Biblical physics is perfectly natural. It relates to the real, visible world of real objects and real, visible cosmic history. We can see the past with light. We are allowed in biblical physics to believe what is visible - instead of perpetuating myths about invisible things. We see how the galaxies formed as the stars accelerated outward from dense primordial galaxies. In scientific physics the visible history of the universe is not permitted. Instead one must believe myths about vacuous forces and phantom matter. Why do scientists invent so many myths about magical things? They have to. They must defend their historical creed - their assumption that the properties of matter are not emergent. They must do this, even though most of them unaware of its historical importance. They only know the physics of perpetual motion atoms. For example, their atomic clocks are assumed to never change frequency even though every atomic clock in the distant universe clocks a different frequency than local clocks and the differences increase with distance.

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