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Author Topic:   Julian Barbour on Time
NoNukes
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Message 20 of 39 (730241)
06-25-2014 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by GDR
06-25-2014 11:32 AM


Time is the way we experience or preceive change. The passage of time seems somehow to be tied in with cour consciousness.

Really? I can understand why our perception of time is tied up with our consciousness, but time itself? I find that a more difficult thing to accept, and quite frankly I don't accept it.

It is far easier to believe that a man who saw time stop actually has a issue with memory that causes him to believe that. How would you ever be able to tell unless you saw him actually take advantage of slowed time in some way?

I am also of the belief that we experience the passage of time differently as we age.

But do you believe that time is actually changing its rate of passage as you age?


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I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

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NoNukes
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Message 25 of 39 (730257)
06-26-2014 6:20 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by GDR
06-25-2014 11:37 PM


But it isn't just a case of memory. His claim is that he could view individual droplets, whereas if time was passing normally it would just look like a normal stream from a shower.

Yes. And that information did reach his brain through his eyes. I am suggesting a trick of the brain where he has a false memory of actually experiencing time at a slower rate based on this information. Or alternatively even the memory of the droplets being bogus.

I have a clear memory of coming off my bike when the pedal snapped off.

Those things actually happened.

I had considerable time to think as I rolled over backwards and the bike went over top me.

I'm suggesting that this part could be a trick of memory generated after the event and based on the information collected during the event. Perhaps the "slowing" is actually based on biology and not physics.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 31 of 39 (730293)
06-26-2014 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by New Cat's Eye
06-26-2014 3:01 PM


Re: Time passes faster when you get older?
GDR writes:

They have perceived time differently between the time the spaceship left and the time it returned home. Their individual perception of time created their own individual reality.

Catholic Scientist writes:

No, it wasn't their perception of time that created their own individual reality.

I just want to add that we know it is not a matter of perception because the twin paradox has been demonstrated to work on pi-meson particles traveling at an appreciable speed of light.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 32 of 39 (730300)
06-26-2014 6:43 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by GDR
06-26-2014 2:15 PM


It may be a trick of the brain, but it was his perception unless of course, as you say, it is bogus. However the article does indicate that he is a credible individual.

That would simply mean that he is telling the truth as he knows it. I haven't gotten around to accusing him of lying.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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NoNukes
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Message 38 of 39 (730385)
06-27-2014 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by GDR
06-27-2014 11:10 AM


Re: Time passes faster when you get older?
It seems to me that it is worth considering the idea that our individual perceptions form our individual reality that is distinct from everyone else's.

When you say "worth considering" do you mean that the idea is likely to be correct, or that there is a likely hood of great reward or insight?

but I contend that their ideas are worth exploring and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand

Why not?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei

If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass


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