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anglagard
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Message 23 of 221 (375778)
01-09-2007 10:55 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by anastasia
01-09-2007 6:17 PM


Re: Need there be an ultimatum?
Anastasia writes:
All life should be treated equally. You seem to imply that a living breathing individual is more equal than a comatose one.
And you seem to imply that a living, breathing, insect is more equal than a comotose human by saying all life should be treated equally. Are you a Jain or a member of the Animal Liberation Front?
There are passages in Genesis, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy that seem to imply that blood is life and therefore no blood=no life. I'm sure you know which passages those are so I won't clutter the thread with lengthy Biblical quotations like some others we know (not to name names).
My point is that since the human embryo shows no signs of a circulatory system, and therefore blood, for at least the first two weeks, there is no justification to be against stem cell research for any Biblical reason.
Such a justification must come an from extra-Biblical reason, like hatred of science or support for disease causing agents over humans because such diseases are "god's will."
Edited by anglagard, : to spel bett'n buz

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anglagard
Member (Idle past 858 days)
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 26 of 221 (375810)
01-10-2007 2:10 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by anastasia
01-10-2007 1:39 AM


Supposed Morality of the Fanatic
Anastasia writes:
Just supposing the majority of the christian opposition has no scientific knowledge, the Biblical law they are following is quite simply 'thou shalt not kill'.
Kill what?
Is ignorance of science and the Bible a sufficient excuse to condemn people to an earlier death than necessary? Those precious excess embryos are simply flushed down the toilet. This is the policy of our Fundamentalist President Bush and his religious fanatic lackeys, they would rather see the embryos destroyed than aid science to cure disease.
What is the alternative? To see such extra embryos forcibly implanted? To make artifical insemination illegal?
Today they are trashed. What is the moral message?
No, I can't imagine anyone being so callous. There are those who do not seek medical treatment for themselves because of religious views such as the above, but I have not heard of them interfering with the rights of others to seek treatment, or of science to discover cures. You could be right, of course, but I don't imagine the majority of folk to base their opposition to stem cell research on that. Since I am not a scientist I prefer to end this part of the topic here...and to hope that one of the alternative means of harvesting stem cells proves viable so that we no longer have this dilemma.
What is happening right here in the USA, right now?
They are this callous, right here, right now.
Edited by anglagard, : Clarity

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 103 of 221 (376390)
01-12-2007 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Rob
01-12-2007 12:19 AM


Re: End of silly game playing
scotness writes:
Well, we all have faith in something. I gave up on pantheism a long time ago for reasons we can get into in a different thread.
Feel free to PNT and rock my world. If you so choose, please consider the use of original thought as opposed to endless random Biblical quotations, interpreted with an apparent attitude of absolute personal infallibility, and then discordantly punctuated with the occasional "aw shucks, I'm so humble."
But it does meld nicely with the evolutionary theory. It's going to be a big hit. An absolute craze!
Do you know what pantheism means (no insult intended)?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Edited by anglagard, : remove repeating quote

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 107 of 221 (376398)
01-12-2007 1:38 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by Rob
01-12-2007 1:16 AM


Re: End of silly game playing
Asking Scotness
Do you know what pantheism means (no insult intended)?
I know more than that!
From thread 30 at Message 30
Apparently you also know less than that.
The title of your post in the referred thread is polytheism revealed
FYI, pantheism does not mean polytheism, nor does it mean the individual is God.
But how could (not would) you know, since you are seemingly presenting yourself as the final arbiter of English word definitions? Maybe you are more panthiest (according to your definition, not the rest of the world's) than you would like to admit.
Edited by anglagard, : Clarity and a bit of humor

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