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Author | Topic: New Hubble pictures, YEC explanations just don't make sense. | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
and so did the Greeks. So did Abraham. He also knew that there were billions of stars (see Genesis 15:5 and 32:12 regarding more stars than sand). I find that interesting since only in the last dozen years have we come to know that there are "billions and billions" of stars. I understand that in modern cities, people can hardly see any stars other than the brightest due to light contamination, but any trip to a dark place away fromt the bright lights will easily reveal countless stars. The advent of telescopes has only increased the stars we can see. I have no clue where you get the idea its only been about 10 years since this "discovery". And I think you would find the description of the number of stars as nearly countless in almost every culture that looked at anything other than their shoes.
The Hubble picture, while further evidence of many stars, is not evidence of an ancient universe any more than the picture of Yaro proves that she is a certain age. The Hubble picture proves, at best, that the universe is big. It could have been created big and designed to get bigger. And it proves nothing about the age of the earth, either. Light travels at a constant speed c. It doesn't travel instaniously. If an object is 13 billion light years away from eath, any light generated by that object will take 13 billion years traveling at c to earth. Any object viewed at such a distance indicates its age. However, any light generated by that object afterwards will not reach earth until some future date, since its still traveling here. Its kinda like looking at a home video tape of that object 13 billion years after the fact.The advantage of knowing the speed of light and distances is that it clearly indicates the time it takes for light to reach earth. And now, we are at the crux of the matter - the methods. A daily, ongoing, bi-directional spiritual relationship with God has its own methods. The results are clear and certain. If one is attempting to tell me that an imperfect instrument read by imperfect eyes and processed by an imperfect brain is superior to an intelligence-to-intelligence communication with God... well, one might as well try to convince me that salt has no flavor. After all, its flavor can not be measured or described. And I think to myself "Non-YEC explanations just don't make sense." Your personal feelings are fine, but they don't constitute scientific data. Additionally, aren't you using that same imperfect set of eyes and brain to read the bible and "communicate" with god? I never understood why people believe just because they don't agree with scientific findings that somehow those findings are suddenly invalidated. Feelings have zero relevence to the scientific persuit or the legitimacy of scientific endevours.
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
Completely depends on the curve. For example, some function, if finding the area under the curve from say, 1 to infinity, will still generate a finite number. However, most functions will have an infinite are under the curve.
As for zeno's paradox, it is merely another application of calculus, or can be solved, as previously explained in this thread, as a geometric series. Zenos paradox was a pardox to him, not to modren matematics.
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Reef Inactive Member |
As crash pointed out so elegently earlier infinty is not a number so how can u calculate the area of an infinitly big curve?
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
Reef, energy constantly changes form. If it didn't , we wouldn't be here. You are constantly turning chemical energy into kinetic and thermal energy. If you pick up a book, you are converting that kinetic energy into potential energy in that book. The sun is constantly converting nuclear energy into radiation.
As for properties being different, if they were, much of the struture of the universe would be vastly different. Also, evidence has consitently supported a model of the universe with constant physical laws.
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Reef Inactive Member |
why can't we travel faster then the speed of light?
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Melchior Inactive Member |
It depends on the curve. Some curves, like for example if you want to integrate f(x)=x (simple line going upwards) from 0 to infinity, you get infinity as area.
Other curves (can anyone give a direct example) behave in ways which creates a limited area. I strongly suggest you take a basic math course if you want to learn how to do this yourself.
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
There is a difference between infintley long, and infinitely big.
For example, the function, f(x)= x is a linear line, and the area under its curve goes to infinity as x goes to infinity. However, some functions, say f(x)= 1/x , if you were to measure the area under the curve from say x =1 to x = infinity, you actually have a finite area. Each slice of dx of the function decreases fast enough that the area under the curve approaches a finite number. Its much akin to crash frogs example of the series 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + ... =2 The sequential elements are decreasing, and while infinite bits are added up, the total is still finite.
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Reef Inactive Member |
lol i did thanx!! but please be my guest how big is the area under the curve f(x)=x ?
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Reef Inactive Member |
but the series in Zeno's paradox would go on forever so how could you ever add up the total series thats the point!
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
Realitivity. Essentially, the closer you approach the speed of light, the more your mass increases, and the more energy is required to continue to accelerate. As the mass approaches the speed of light, the energy required to reach that velocity increases infintely.
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Reef Inactive Member |
why does your mass increase as you reach the speed of light?
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
http://www.deltalink.com/dodson/downloads/zenomath.pdf
Here is a mathematical solution for zeno's paradox.
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Reef Inactive Member |
yeah thanx ive already read it but its like i said it works for finite numbers... the fact still remains that by the time achilles has reached where the turtle got to he must then... start another race with the turtle and because a distance can be infinitly small the race will go on 4ever.
The equation work with the assumption that the race has a beginning and an end and not that everytime achilles reaches a point where the turtle has been he must then start a new race. he will run an infinite number of races
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
Einstien's equations allow us to calculate the relative mass of an object as a funcion of it velocity.
M(realitive) = M(rest)*(1-(v^2/c^2))^-1/2 ie@ v =.2 c m(r) is approx 1.02 times m(rest) @ v =.8 c m(r) " 1.67 " @ v =.99c " 7.09 " @ v =.9999c " 70.71 " @ v = .999999c " 707.1 " as v approaches c, m (r) approaches infinity.
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Darwin Storm Inactive Member |
Reef, if you can't understand the logic of the problem, and follow the math, that is fine. However, your lack of understanding doesn't mean the solution is incorrect. Try working through the mathematics. Look for some other sites that have solutions, maybe one can explain it more clearly for you.
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