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Agobot
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Message 20 of 273 (471119)
06-14-2008 4:09 PM


Multiple Big Bangs
If the BBT is right, we could easily conclude that if 1 Big Bang was ever possible, then multiple Big Bangs are likely to have taken place in the seemingly endless space. Multiple universes could hold the answer on how the miracle of life happened on this planet. The probability of a celestial body to be able to sustain life are probably in the order of 1: 1000 billions but it's a problem that's easily solved if we consider an infinite number of Big Bangs and universes.

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Message 28 of 273 (471157)
06-15-2008 6:57 AM


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In this case, you have to realise that the Big Bang is not something that occurs *in* space. It is the entirety of space.
  —cavediver
Where is the evidence for this claim that there is no space beyond our universe?
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Message 33 of 273 (471189)
06-15-2008 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by cavediver
06-15-2008 10:34 AM


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The problem is that people with no background in the subject are expecting answers, and expecting to UNDERSTAND the answers to these questions. To explain this at even the most basic of levels requires presenting a substantial body of introductory material. The questioners then proceed to question, critique, and ridicule this most basic of background information, and the original question is never addressed.
  —cavediver
You are right, we don't understand all the calculations that go into proving the validity of such a theory. But at the same time, you are far from being the only one in the world with a background in cosmology. That's why I think an internet link with the supposed evidence that there is no space outside our universe, will give you much credit and we won't have to take your word for it.
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Message 44 of 273 (471223)
06-15-2008 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by cavediver
06-15-2008 3:18 PM


Re: Re-space
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Then is it just expanding into itself and we just think the universe is billions of light years across because we are actually so small?
quote:
Yep, you got it.
What happens when you enlarge zero by 50%? 100%? 1,000%? It stays ZERO. If the universe was infinitely small at T=0, and is infinitely small 13.7 bln. years later, then the universe doesn't exist exist. Right? Where is the rationality?
What can make a metre suddenly become 1.1 metres long(is the void within or between atoms enlarging)? If such a thing did happen, it would no longer be a metre. And even if it did, how could we possibly tell the difference? From that reference frame, it is still one meter.
Is the Big Bang theory going to crumble to dust if redshifts are proven to not have been caused by spatial expansion?
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Message 49 of 273 (471236)
06-15-2008 4:49 PM
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06-15-2008 4:33 PM


Re: Update Your Model
Cavediver, if the universe is infinitely small now(as it has been 13.7 billion years ago), is the singularity still intact(since you are proponent of the BBT)? Are we located within a singularity? If it's infinitely small, what makes you say the singularity exists at all?

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Message 51 of 273 (471240)
06-15-2008 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by cavediver
06-15-2008 4:53 PM


Re: Update Your Model
quote:
Then is it just expanding into itself and we just think the universe is billions of light years across because we are actually so small?
quote:
Yep, you got it.
  —cavediver
When you say the universe is expanding into itself, do you mean the universe is not expanding into itself but expanding in general? The metric expansion theory(essential part of the BBT) says distances between objects in space remain the same. Doesn't that mean that we are in a singularity?
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Message 134 of 273 (472055)
06-20-2008 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by ICANT
06-17-2008 6:43 PM


Re: Finite
ICANT writes:
Science may be more tangible to you than faith. But not to me, my Faith comes from experience. (I will leave it at that)
Hi ICANT, If you have really seen what you described to me in email, why do you keep visiting this forum looking for answers?
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Message 148 of 273 (472229)
06-21-2008 3:33 AM


GOD
This article poses a good question "What was god doing before the genesis"? To go a bit further - was there a god before genesis and god of what was it?

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Message 171 of 273 (472419)
06-22-2008 10:10 AM


Changing god
If god has changed, would he still be god? If he is perfect and then he changes, what would we get? Definitely not a perfect god. The stories in the bible are so childish, i am amazed there are still people falling for them.
IMJ, what was god doing before the genesis? Was he born just prior to the genesis?
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Message 182 of 273 (472621)
06-23-2008 4:27 PM


IMJ, if I say to you that I am Vladimir and i have not changed, would that mean that i am infinite?
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Message 184 of 273 (472688)
06-24-2008 4:01 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by IamJoseph
06-23-2008 9:17 PM


IamJosif writes:
Imagine if you asked your teacher who created the universe and who created the creator - and the answer was, "THE CREATOR IS NOT SUBJECT TO CHANGE".
"The creator is not subject to change" is not equal to "I have not changed". I can say about myself that I have not changed, but could not say that I am not subject to change. If you twist the words in the bible good enough, you could make them mean anything you want. Like "I am your lord and I have not changed" meaning i am your god and i have not been replaced by the gods of big white sharks.

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Message 211 of 273 (473048)
06-26-2008 5:33 PM


Infinity
Talking about infinity is a lot like talking about god. In practice, we don't know if they exist or what they are supposed to be like. If we stick to the BBT, how would the universe be infinite? Wouldn't nothingness, that was there before the BB, be considered infinity?

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Message 218 of 273 (473198)
06-27-2008 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by New Cat's Eye
06-26-2008 5:47 PM


Re: Infinity
Agobot writes:
Wouldn't nothingness, that was there before the BB,
Catholic Scientist writes:
False.
BB theory does not postulate that nothingness preceded the Big Bang.
Hehe, game of words. What was there before the Big Bang? If there was something and you know what it is - let us know about it. If there was nothing, then we can conclude there didn't exist anything, hence there was nothingness. That's as far as I can grasp the idea of nothingness.

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Message 219 of 273 (473199)
06-27-2008 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by New Cat's Eye
06-27-2008 8:19 AM


Re: Infinity
IamJosif writes:
The empty bag is not empty - it contains a lot of emptiness.
Catholic Scientist writes:
Then its not an empty bag, now is it?
Wrong. 0+0=0. Nothing+nothing=nothing. Empty+empty=empty.

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Message 253 of 273 (473602)
07-01-2008 7:23 AM


Singularity's Size
How does the BBT come up with a conclusion that the size of the singularity must have been about pea-size? Or an atom-size or less? How do we know it must have been infinitely small size? Because even if we were able to condense matter(sqeezing the atoms so that electrons and the nucleus become one body), wouldn't we get a singularity 1 billion times greater in size than our Sun? According to my calculations, the Earth could be shrinked to just 100 metres.
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