Big bang and Gases

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Originally posted by Lemming:
well gases go bang when ignited hence big bang when there is alot of gas, 2 gases that can ignite when put together could be a theory couldn't it ?

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well i thought Scientists looked at all aspecs of the subject they was studying,i guess you didn't d'oh.... , why else would i bring it up?

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Fifteen billion years ago, the entirety of our universe was compressed into the confines of an atomic nucleus. Known as a singularity

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If all matter was confined to an atomic nucleus your 2 gasses scenario is hardly very relevant is it?I think you need to go and do some reading, afterall this whole thread is based on a pretty fundamental misunderstanding of what you are trying to argue against.....Joz - Bsc Physics and space science (Cantab)

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Originally posted by Lemming:
there fore you can infer up to the moment but can not infer at the point could that means something could have happen and possibly didn't ??? ........

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If you mean that we don't know, then yes, you are correct.

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i think you contradicting your misunderstandings of what you think are the implications of what i said works both ways nothing clever about that ......

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Except that after about five physics classes you'll be kicking yourself.

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Physics i know enough to say you can't divide something by 0

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Aha... division by zero. I hate to break it to you but this isn't physics, its math. Ever wonder why you can't divide by zero? The short answer is that no one can figure out what to do if we allow it. In other words, it causes trouble so we kicked it out. This has nothing whatsoever to do with natural law.

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so why are you even trying to do that if something has the value of 0 it means theres nothing

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Ever notice that 1 + -1 = 0 ? Or 0 = 1 + -1 ? Interesting, we still have nothing but it looks different.

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however some people would like to tell me other wise

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But you are too smart for that.

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i think that your that type of person

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lmfaoFifteen billion years ago, the entirety of our universe was compressed into the confines of an atomic nucleus. Known as a singularityIf all matter was confined to an atomic nucleus your 2 gasses scenario is hardly very relevant is it?what does atomic mean ? and also can something atomic be a gas? also can you have 2 types of atomic gases ?first proposed by Einstein in 1924[This message has been edited by Lemming, 11-14-2002]

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Originally posted by Lemming:
lmfao <----- what happened here that technicaly not possible ....

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And you are drawing this conclusion based on what?The real irony here is that the evidence suggests it did in fact happen. That we can or cannot understand it is not the universe's problem. When you say it 'technically' can't happen, what you mean is that we don't how it could have happened. Wow... we don't know something. I'm stunned.------------------
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1 + -1 = 0 = -1 + 1 i agree it doesn't look right but lets do this sum under the exsistence of itemsLemmings cookiesLemming has 1 cookieJohn has -1 CookiesJoz has a entire pack of cookiesif i was to give you john my cookie it would mean you would have 0 but i gave you a cookie so you should have 1 because you can't have -1 cookies this is where you could be wrong to have -1 cookies you must have borrowed 1 cookie and ate it but in the theory of the big bang no one has beable to rule this exsistence of anything out so its possible you could have borrow a cookie of joz now the cookie i have gave you now is in joz's hands so the maths now look like thisLemming 0 cookiesJohn 0 Cookiesjoz a pack + 1 cookieSo does this mean you should looking at exsistence before the BB ?

And what makes you think that the BB singularity obeys the same mathematical and physical laws as cookies?

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So does this mean you should looking at exsistence before the BB ?

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am i right to say Atom's can do exactly what i did with those cookies?

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Originally posted by Lemming:
am i right to say Atom's can do exactly what i did with those cookies?

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Technically laughting your butt off is not possible unless you add other things to its conclusion lets see rotton flesh then its possibleif you add thingas to a theory that are logical its can become possible but we knew that ..... and the maths which you stated is only possible in the way i stated Right or its only logical in the way i explainned it

no i didn't just do that
let me explain it this wayjohn had borrowed a cookie and ate it or did something to it to make in disappear this gives him 0 cookies but he had to give it back to the person who borrowed it him giving john -1 cookiesi had 1 cookie which i gave john meaning he has 1 cookie and plus i gave it him meaning he doesn't have to give me it back but because john borrowed a cookie he has now got to give that backthe reason for joz's pressence is that john borrowed his first cookie off joz and then gave back the cookie in which i gave john making the sum add upThat means you have got to look at the exsistence of something else to make what you are trying to say logicalnow should you be looking at exsistence before the big bang ?[This message has been edited by Lemming, 11-14-2002]

playing dumb and avioding or to ignore something that was perfectly Logical is totally stupid wonder if those scientists studying some of these things do what you have just done because it seems like it[This message has been edited by Lemming, 11-14-2002]

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Originally posted by Lemming:
1 + -1 = 0 = -1 + 1 i agree it doesn't look right but lets do this sum under the exsistence of items

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I'm sorry. What exactly DOES NOT LOOK RIGHT? You did take first grade math, right?

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if i was to give you john my cookie it would mean you would have 0 but i gave you a cookie so you should have 1 because you can't have -1 cookies

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The singularity that existed just prior to the Big Bang was a quark plasma, sometimes referred to as a quark soup in popular literature. It wasn't matter as we know it. Only some time after the Big Bang began did the universe become cool enough (though still incredibly hot) for the quarks to combine to form sub-atomic particles like protons, neutrons and electrons. Some additional time passed before additional expansion and cooling allowed these particles to combine into atoms, mostly just hydrogen, a little helium, and a very little lithium.A chemical explosion such as might occur if you provided a spark to a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen is the wrong analog for the Big Bang. The Big Bang was not the result of chemical forces, because such forces only exist between elements, and no elements, ie, no atoms, existed at the time of the Big Bang. It was due to the interaction of the fundamental properties inherent in matter and energy, and to properties inherent in the universe itself.--Percy

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Originally posted by Lemming:
Technically laughting your butt off is not possible unless you add other things to its conclusion lets see rotton flesh then its possible

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What? [quote][b]if you add thingas to a theory that are logical its can become possible but we knew that ..... [/q][/quote]What?

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and the maths which you stated is only possible in the way i stated Right or its only logical in the way i explainned it

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What?------------------
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