Before the Big Bang

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You know nothing of the sort! You assume or place faith in such but you do not know.Without your belief that something is beyond this world your arguement falls apart and I would maintain that by this reasoning it is all in your head.

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How dare you insult someone's faith! All in your head? Try the pre big bang, or some of the wild drug trip like dreams of old age conclusions! Without our belief, we would be, of all men, most miserable, but we will never be without it! You assume or place faith in evo things not proved every bit as much as believers in the Almighty do! We do not 'know'? Wrong, deep down we know, it is only you who know not. Belief something is 'beyond this world'? Not at all it is an important part of creation, and this world. It only shows where you are really coming from, whether you admit it or not.This message has been edited by simple, 02-16-2005 02:57 AM

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Why would you be miserable? You would be,just as we all are,human, and responsible completely for your actions.

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Why would someone who believes in a random appearance of life and the universe, beyond the power to explain (big bang & evolution) be more or less responsible for their actions than someone with faith in a creator? If anything, they would be more responsible, because they realize Someone is watching! The 'most miserable' thing was paraphrasing St Paul, who said, if Jesus hadn't risen from the dead our faith would be useless, and therefore, we would be worse off than the rest of the world. Why? Because they, not believing in a life
coming after death may have secured wealth, and education, and things that believers, concerned with laying up treasures in Heaven more, would not have done.

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Really? And what do you think I place faith in?

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No offence, but I don't much care! The point was I thought it wrong to insult someone's faith, and say it was all in their head. What we believe is not some secret, it was done in a multitude of witnesses, and in perfect fulfillment of ancient prophesy. If you chose to not believe, or believe different, that's up to you. But you can't prove it anymore than some believer!
Specifically, where did the little near nothing or whatever you like to call it come from, and where did the fluke simple lifeform that gave us all life on earth come from? OH, sure, you could say, well it seems the evidence points to that, but that's as far as you can go?

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LOL.Boldly spoken lad.Now show me what you think I am coming from.

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In the post I responded to, it certainly seemed to be a place where you showed contempt for someones faith in God. -Lad.

Regardless of how many may be in US prisons (I suspect they'd have more christians in there!) It doesn't mean a science forum is an excuse for ganging up on someone's faith. To do so would simply illustrate that it runs deeper than mere knowlede interpretation, but a hatred of God. That is why, we would tend to try to avoid that, should some be tempted to lean that way.Divorce is something widespread, and, if kids aren't involved, perhaps not the greatest evil on earth. Prisons have a high percentage of minorities in there, and less wealthy people, and less educated. Being there in many wicked countries is no shame. Putting many of the people who are in there is!Besides, claiming some belief is a common thing in history. Many mass murderers who stsrted wars even claimed such things. The people who kiled Jesus claimed such things. It wasn't what they claimed to believe that was bad, but their real beliefs and actions.

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. Why do the people who believe in God have worse real actions in spite of their supposed better real beliefs?

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The ones I know don't. The ones that killed Jesus did. But they were just pretending to be sheep, and were actually wolves, in sheep's clothing. Don't be fooled by the clothes, or claims, but look at what their actions say more.

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Clean house before you accuse us of "ganging up on your faith." Quite frankly, your faith is the one that started it.

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Actually Cain struck the first blow, but we will finish it once and for all soon at Armageddon. In recent times defending faith against doctrinal fables of our orgins, by anti creationists, is a defensive mechanism, like if someone pokes you in the eye, you react.
There is no middle ground, a devision needs to take place. It's not one big happy family. At least that's my opinion.{Fixed 1 quote box - AM}This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 02-17-2005 14:11 AM

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Why do the people who believe in God have worse real actions in spite of their supposed better real beliefs?

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I don't believe this. Some, yes, but anyone can wear sheep's clothing, hiding the fangs underneath. If the fruit is bad the tree is bad. How can a good tree bring forth bad fruit? If we see the nettles, it just isn't a plum tree. Even if there is a little sign on the plants saying 'plum tree'. Even if they teach in scool that it is a plum tree.