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CK
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Message 56 of 311 (163651)
11-28-2004 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by TheLiteralist
11-28-2004 12:00 AM


Re: Things in common
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One of the scriptures used to support this idea is Genesis 1:31, which says:
quote:God saw ALL that He had made, and it was very good...NIV (emphasis mine)
So God created Demons and this was good?

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Message 60 of 311 (163688)
11-28-2004 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by TheLiteralist
11-28-2004 1:34 PM


Re: Geology
Thanks to your reply to my earlier point - I'll have to echo Ned's point and give you a slight warning (in a friendly sense).
If you are going to follow the literalist path, you are going to run up against questions that will other require you to change your views or say "sorry that basic law of physics is wrong".

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Message 83 of 311 (185800)
02-16-2005 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by JonF
02-16-2005 9:01 AM


Re: No time "before" the Big Bang.
Jon - I think he has a book to plug, I doubt he's going to take onboard anything that is going to involve pulping that book.

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CK
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Message 86 of 311 (185826)
02-16-2005 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by mihkel4397
02-16-2005 10:33 AM


Re: No time "before" the Big Bang.
He mentioned facts, he never used the word truth. Those are two different things.

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CK
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Message 91 of 311 (185869)
02-16-2005 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by JonF
02-16-2005 12:18 PM


Re: No time "before" the Big Bang.
An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that, in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going. But this should not be taken to imply that there are good reasons to believe that it could not have started on the earth by a perfectly reasonable sequence of fairly ordinary chemical reactions.
The plain fact is that the time available was too long, the many microenvironments on the earth's surface too diverse, the various chemical possibilities too numerous and our own knowledge and imagination too feeble to allow us to be able to unravel exactly how it might or might not have happened such a long time ago, especially as we have no experimental evidence from that era to check our ideas against.
(Francis Crick, Life Itself, Its Origin and Nature, 1981, p. 88)
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Message 102 of 311 (185929)
02-16-2005 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by mihkel4397
02-16-2005 3:38 PM


Re: No time "before" the Big Bang.
ah what wit.
quote:
There again, you believe too much. Before you know something, it is necessary to find out for yourself. Borrowed opinions are not reliable.
So...
quote:
No, it is not based on my prejudices but rather the relevant literature - and the statistics of random events/mutations.
Coupled with.....
quote:
Would you believe, I didn't do the calculations.
Your line of reasoning is weak and confused.

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