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Fosdick 
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Message 157 of 311 (410214)
07-13-2007 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 155 by ICANT
07-13-2007 6:33 PM


Re: Nothing Before the Big Bang
ICANT asks:
What did exist? How you could have an explosion of trillions of degrees in temperature without energy?
Nothing existed. But what would you expect from a non-place with non-materials that had no ontoloical meaning becasue there was no time? And how hot was it just before the big bang went off? Unrealistically hot!
The big bang theory is the logical result from discovering that the universe is expanding. There are no know phycisal laws or principles that explain what "existed" before the big bang happened. But "existence" is a fragile term, easily abused by philosophers of science. It is impossible for us to know what preceded the big bang, because we are still too ignorant about the physics of nothingness and timelessness.
Who knows? Maybe a bearded old man tinkering with the cosmological constant set off the big bang by mistake. Paul Davies did call is it "The Accidental Universe."
”HM

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Fosdick 
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Message 161 of 311 (410225)
07-13-2007 8:54 PM
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07-13-2007 8:12 PM


Re: Nothing Before the Big Bang
Modulous says the Big Bang theory does not propose something coming from nothing.
I believe Mod is correct. I use nothingness vaguely as a metaphor for our ignorance about pre-big-bang conditions. The same could be said about the conditions attending abiogenesis. I'm sure they were physical, too, but we still don't know what they were.
That raises another question, How could nothing be so unrealistically hot?
If I did not believe God was there you guys would have me very confused.
Miracles fill in where scientific principles fail to explain. The need to believe in miracles is worse than a drug; it will run off with your soul. But gods are always comforting until something better comes along. I believe science is the true miracle, if not another kind of drug. After all, it was Einsten who said: "The most incomprehensible thing about nature is that it is comprehensible."
”HM

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Message 183 of 311 (410339)
07-14-2007 12:20 PM
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07-14-2007 11:36 AM


Re: The point of something
That makes it just as clear as mud.
Either: There was someting before the Big Bang. Or: There was nothing before the Big Bang
...
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
How do you justify believing in "eternal life" while rejecting the concept of immaterial timelessness in pre-big-bang cosmology?
”HM

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Message 191 of 311 (410497)
07-15-2007 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by ICANT
07-14-2007 11:53 PM


What God sees
ICANT, you wrote:
...God's view is just one great big now. He views the beginning and the end at the same time and everything in-between.
ICANT, are you aware of what you are asserting here? You are saying, essentially, that you know God's views, and that He sees the whole big picture in the moment of now. How on earth could you or anyone else know what God sees? Isn't that just about the most arrogant claim anyone could make?
And while you go on believing this with no problem at all, you fail to grasp key scientific speculations on T

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