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jar Member Posts: 33113 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Reality does not have to be logical.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Maartenn100 Member (Idle past 3341 days) Posts: 39 From: Belgium Antwerp Joined: |
it's just an exercise for me in 'gravitational relativity' and its effects on observers.
you stand still on Earth, on the moon, on mars. The observer always hangs still and any havy object with him/her too. Why: because his time is always 'normal' according to him. Wherever he (or she) is. But when he has another time than an other object, that object moves according to him. From a space point of view Earth moves. Because of the timedilation. But the observer in space has a normal time, so Earth must be round and moving. That's the consequence of the timedifference. So: the 'normality' of the time for the observer and his or her position relative to a heavy object will change the observed movements of that object in gravitational relativity. When you are on the moon: you see earth moving forward and going back and the moon stands still and is pushing you. (gravity and equivalenceprinciple) When you are in space, for you: your clock ticks normal. So, other things must change. Earth must move, because the clocks differ. I believe that the observer of space and time will be the cause of dilatation observations and effects. Because wherever he is, time runs normal. So, I think: wherever we are - as observers - in the universe. At the bounderies everything is redshifting. As a relativistic effect of space and time in the universe for any observer. But , it's just a hypothesis. The observer is always weightless and hangings still. The observer is always at 0 m/s according to the maximum speed. We are outside time and space in 'the actual moment"= zero. That's what I think. The fallen observer (in free fall) is always weightless. He/she does not feel acceleration (no accelerated frame of reference) And he (or she) is been observed from earth as 'hanging still'. So Earth falls towards you in a centripetal way and will become a stable world for you. All heavy objects will become a stable world for you. Black hole I believe that you are weightless above a black hole ande BH is accelerating toward you at a high velocity. Slowed down by its mass it's coming towards you. You and alle the objects 'in the sky' with you are hanging quitley. But from outside this system, we see you circling around it at gigantic speed. That's gravitational relativity to me in real life Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given. Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given. Edited by Maartenn100, : English translation (I'm dutch) Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given.
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jar Member Posts: 33113 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Reality does not care about beliefs.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Maartenn100 Member (Idle past 3341 days) Posts: 39 From: Belgium Antwerp Joined: |
Jar,
When you mean 'believe', you mean: based on nothing. But reality is 'logic' (as far as I know) Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given.
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jar Member Posts: 33113 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Then perhaps you need to study more for reality is not logic.
Nor must reality be logical. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Maartenn100 Member (Idle past 3341 days) Posts: 39 From: Belgium Antwerp Joined: |
(I'm dutch, so my English is not very well)
yes that's truth. We all must study our whole lives. Maybe 'reality' is not logical, science must be logical. I think reality is logical. Can you prove it (logical) that reality is not logical? Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given. Edited by Maartenn100, : translation problem
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jar Member Posts: 33113 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
Science must accept reality even when it is not logical.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Maartenn100 Member (Idle past 3341 days) Posts: 39 From: Belgium Antwerp Joined: |
ok, back on topic.
So, according to my observations and logical explanation and derived from postulates of general relativity: the observer is the measure of space and time.
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Maartenn100 Member (Idle past 3341 days) Posts: 39 From: Belgium Antwerp Joined: |
This is the video I made to explain my theory:
https://www.youtube.com/user/Maartenn100?feature=mhee#p/u/...
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Panda Member (Idle past 2461 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
And if there were 2 people on opposite sides of the black hole - would the black hole accelerate towards both of them at a high velocity?
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Maartenn100 Member (Idle past 3341 days) Posts: 39 From: Belgium Antwerp Joined: |
The other 'body' (because you see another observer just as any other body) accelerates according to your point of view (when you could see it) following a curved path. (like we see when an object is falling towards a black hole)
But this is the consequence of the equivalenceprinciple of general relativity: A Blackholian will accelerate with his star towards you. Otherwise you are not consequent with the equivalenceprinciple of GRT. An other observer than you can accelerate towards you from your - frame of reference point of view. But from your point of view (as an observer of space and time): you are always hanging still and your clock is always the norm for timedilation and movements. So, you are just hanging there, when the black hole is coming at you. And then you see the light, and then it's too late Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given. Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given. Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given. Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given.
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jar Member Posts: 33113 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.1 |
So when I fall, I fall at a constant speed? Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Panda Member (Idle past 2461 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
I think you are talking about frames of reference, but I am not certain as I am having trouble understanding your English. As I cannot easily understand you, I will bow out of this conversation.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 2392 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Yes Maartenn is actually just about correct here (or at least I know what he is saying), but he's mixing some very high level concepts with some rather low level, and with some tricky translations/language issues and a bunch of confusion, it's all coming out rather unintelligible. I may have time tonight to try to respond to him.
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Maartenn100 Member (Idle past 3341 days) Posts: 39 From: Belgium Antwerp Joined: |
I look forward to your answer. Check if my logic is correct:
The basic principles of general relativity = The difference between an inertial frame of reference and a non-inertial frame of reference = you will measure weight. You can not tell the difference between hanging still or moving at a constant velocity. But you can tell the difference between an inertial frame of reference and a non-inertial frame of reference. (acceleration) Any observer on earth - in our real world and not on paper as 'a coördinatesystem' - is in a non-inertial reference frame. (in the real world). Earth is pushing him or her with 1 g. So when we draw a coördinatesystem on paper to describe movements on Earth, we loose information about the actual 'reference frame'. And you can measure that: light is bending on Earth, so you are in a non-inertial frame of reference. We are accelerating (equivalenceprinciple and gravity) and the objects are just hanging there. (in relativity). Another example to make my point. You are in a spaceship to Jupiter and you are travelling at 1 g. Jupiterians will be in there non-inertial frame of reference, accelerated by 2.7g. The planet is pushing them up by 2.7 g. And you are just measuring, with your measuring devices: constant acceleration towards planet: 1 g. So you can measure these accelerations by the bending of the light. Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given. Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given. Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given. Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given. Edited by Maartenn100, : No reason given.
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