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Author Topic:   Questions Creationists Never Answer
RAZD
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Message 76 of 141 (257956)
11-08-2005 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Evopeach
11-08-2005 5:49 PM


Different Radiometric techniques
NO just wanted to refute your claim that all methods require ratios of parent to daughter... just so.
Some methods do require parent\daughter ratios, others do not. Some utilize water transport of soluble {parents\daughters} too.
For a rather complete discussion of radiometric dating technology read
Radiometric Dating
Dr. Wiens addresses many of the common errors of creationists as well as providing a good overview of the state of the science of radiometric technology.
Evopeach, msg 70 writes:
Actually radiocarbon dating uses C14 to C14 comparisons.. no daughter involved.
You meant the ratio of 14C to 12C within an object, and not 14C to 14C, right? (it is also checked with the ratio of 13C when there is doubt, as in resevoir effects and the like.)
I suggest you read the RATE project material ...
Why? there is plenty of scientific material on the topic. Like Dr. Wiens ...
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 88 of 141 (258255)
11-09-2005 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Evopeach
11-09-2005 2:29 PM


Re: Different Radiometric techniques
I gave an answer to teh definition of kinds. May I take it that the answer was satisfactory and thus no rebuttal.
I'll get back to you on that after reading it.
Until then lets keep this on radiometric dating and answering the questions of the posts you are replying to eh?

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RAZD
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Message 89 of 141 (258265)
11-09-2005 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Evopeach
11-08-2005 3:34 PM


Kind Definition?
Evopeach, msg 65 writes:
1) The bible defines kind rather explicitly as that which contains within its seed the capability to bring forth its own offspring.
Does this mean only a parent is a kind? This is a pretty narrow definition, as the above definition means that two different varieties of the same species are not of a kind: one variety cannot bring forth offspring within the other varietal group (genetically impossible).
This is contradictory to the usual creationist usage to move "kind" up the tree from species to a higher level.
This can only refer to the genome which is determinative of what an offspring will be gentically, morphologically , etc.
Still can't get to variety {A} from variety {B}, even though {A} and {B} can interbreed and produce living breathing breeding hybrids.
So the original number of kinds would be precisely the original number of unique genomes before a single variation had taken effect.
Tautology: the number created would be the number created.
This would of course be orders of magnitude smaller than the number of species at a later point in time due to the built in range of variation in the genome and later the variation caused by interbreeding, mutations, etc.
Why?
There has been massive extinction of many more species than exist on the earth today, so therefore there had to be more varieties of genomes in the past than exist now.
By orders of magnetude. Point falsified.
Evopeach, msg 77 writes:
I gave an answer to teh definition of kinds. May I take it that the answer was satisfactory and thus no rebuttal
Looks to me like the answer has several logical problems with its construction and conclusions.
So, no, the answer is not satisfactory.
Or do you have another definition elsewhere?
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Message 106 of 141 (258725)
11-10-2005 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Evopeach
11-10-2005 10:06 AM


Re: On kinds
I think shoe boxing into present terminology is imperfect of course as I said.
In other words you agree that your definition didn't provide any useful information and had logical problems?
Just checking.
Next we can get to radiometric dating methodes and the correlations that are used to calibrate them eh?
Or did you forget.

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