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Author Topic:   Problems with the Big Bang theory
Gary
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Message 22 of 303 (187773)
02-23-2005 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by sog345
02-15-2005 2:41 PM


Hello, sog, and welcome to the forum.
You might want to read up a bit on evolution and the Big Bang before you attempt to debate them. It is obvious that you have much to learn about both. The people who have contributed to these theories and shaped them over hundreds of years did not just pick a really simple explanation as you seem to think they did. They genuinely sought out answers to their own questions and hypotheses using the scientific method and then chose the best explanation for the data that they had available to them. These are not mere hypotheses that can be knocked down like a house of cards, but at the same time, given evidence, they can be disproven, if that evidence is reliable.
First of all, one of the subjects you are referring to as evolution is actually known as abiogeneis. This is the process by which living things can arise from nonliving materials. There is more to it than dirt and water, since if you probably already know that if you take dirt and put it in water, no living things arise unless they were in the dirt and water to begin with. However, experiments show that certain chemicals can produce complex molecules such as RNA on their own. It is also known that some strands of RNA can replicate on their own, given the right materials to do so. Also, other molecules can form spherical "bubbles" called micelles, and that larger micelles called protobionts can provide an environment in which metabolic reactions can take place. A similar mechanism is soap dissolving grease - a micelle of soap molecules surrounds the grease molecules to carry them away.
If metabolic reactions can occur in protobionts, and some of those reactions involve complex molecules that can reproduce themselves, what differentiates such a protobiont from a living organism? The first life forms were far simpler than modern ones, even less complex than a bacteria such as E. coli for example. It isn't unreasonable to assume that life started out in this way.
Of course, this is only my simple understanding of the process of abiogenesis. Others will probably take the other points in your topic and might expand upon and correct my explanation. I do hope that you read some of the arguments that differ from your own. A good place to start would be here but there are many other articles and FAQs on that site and others which you can look at too.

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Gary
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Message 24 of 303 (187778)
02-23-2005 12:36 PM
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02-23-2005 12:28 PM


Well my understanding of it is that it is a bubble with a phospholipid bilayer membrane, and on the inside there are proteins and/or nucleic acids which perform various metabolic activities, including budding to make new protobionts. I couldn't make on from scratch, but here's a picture I found on Google Image Search that looks like the one that was in my Biology textbook a couple years ago.

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Gary
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Message 28 of 303 (187800)
02-23-2005 1:49 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Admin
02-23-2005 12:55 PM


Re: Topic Drift Alert
Alright, I'll stand back for now and let this thread go where it may. I'd like to learn more about the Big Bang myself anyway.

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