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Message 125 of 303 (367907)
12-06-2006 7:37 AM

Reply to: Message 123 by DivineBeginning
12-06-2006 7:01 AM

Re: something cannot come from nothing

Message 122
My statement of "something cannot come from nothing" is absolutely true.

Message 123
Then where did the universe come from in your view? If it is by the hand of God {and God is something} then how do you avoid the same conundrum?

God always existed. He wasn't created. He is infinite.

So therefor {he\she\it} came from nothing, OR {he\she\it} IS nothing.

{ABE} OR {something} always existed that may or may not be {god\gods\being\beings} OR all is illusion ... {/ABE}

Thanks for playing.

Point 2: If the universe is filled with the appearance of something, but when you add it all up you end up with a net zero as some things cancel others, then you don't have a sum{something} but a sum{nothing}, and all you have is temporary differentiation that deteriorates back to nothing (entrophy). Currently the sum appears to be net zero ...

Ever going to answer the probability question?
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Message 144 of 303 (368041)
12-06-2006 5:32 PM

Reply to: Message 127 by DivineBeginning
12-06-2006 7:58 AM

Re: something cannot come from nothing

RAZD, you are totally missing the point!!

And you fail to answer the question. There are many possibilities, you choose one that is rather arbitrary and self-referential. If that is your goal then fine, and enjoy it.

It isn't cool to attack someone's faith.

No just pointing out the logical problems with your position. I also see no LACK of christians attacking the faith of other people.

And I ask again: ever going to finish answering the probability issue?

Or can I assume from you lack of answer that this is resolved and the probability calculations promoted by creationists and IDologist are as bogus and irrelevant and intellectually dishonest as claimed on the thread?

Thanks again.

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Message 160 of 303 (368132)
12-07-2006 7:00 AM

Reply to: Message 149 by DivineBeginning
12-06-2006 8:14 PM

Re: something cannot come from nothing

I am not exempting God from anything. I believe He created everything. If He didn't create everything, ie if there exists something that he didn't create, then his sovereignty goes out the window.

So he created himself out of nothing or he didn't create everything

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Message 162 of 303 (368134)
12-07-2006 7:18 AM

Reply to: Message 161 by DivineBeginning
12-07-2006 7:03 AM

Re: something cannot come from nothing

No, are you that stupid or illiterate? He ALWAYS WAS.

Cool it with the ad hominem attacks, or you will likely get a timeout.

Where in those two words do you see that he created himself? HUH?

So then he did not create himself OR everything. It's simple logic.

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Message 166 of 303 (368139)
12-07-2006 7:46 AM

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12-07-2006 7:23 AM

Re: something cannot come from nothing

So you are engaged in special pleading.

The fact that you don't like where the logic goes is not my problem.

Thanks.

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Message 170 of 303 (368278)
12-07-2006 6:12 PM

Reply to: Message 169 by DivineBeginning
12-07-2006 8:04 AM

Re: something cannot come from nothing

see Message 30, seeing as continuing this is off topic here.

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Message 247 of 303 (369690)
12-14-2006 2:05 AM

Reply to: Message 189 by DivineBeginning
12-13-2006 12:46 AM

Re: No Guesses, Evidence Please

Just so you know -- your bluff has been called:

No Evidence Concerning a Quickly Created Grand Canyon Being "All Over The News"

Now it is time for you to present what you think are facts.

If you can.

I also note, just in passing, that you have still failed to show the problems with my thread on probabilities that you claimed, as a math major, to know all about.

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