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Author Topic:   Problems with the Big Bang theory
Fabric
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Message 98 of 303 (366969)
11-29-2006 7:44 PM


This is aimed at the OP....
Avoiding the fine tuning problem and the anthropic princible for now , this is my view on things at the moment, ive been reading about physics and the evolution of the universe since i got my computer, its always fancinated me why theres something rather than nothing ect
i find that people come on here and ask questions about simple things that if they
were really interested in they would of looked it up already using google,,
thats how i started 2 years ago , at first i asked simple things like where did the universe come from , then from there you say ok what about galaxys then whats gravity etc..
if you were Genuinly interested you would try and self educate yourself and ask questions
in google rather then just come here and rant about things you dont know about and hav'nt spent anytime reading and learning , people need to open there eyes and look alot
closer at science rather than just saying " something can not come out of nothing" etc
do a little research and look around the internet and if you are interested in these subjects
you can teach yourself a hell of a lot, not the underlying mathmatics but the theorys and the basics of these ideas ,
ive eventually stumbled into reading about the quantum world and how "things" can and
do come into existence from nothing
the answer to my own question that ive been asking myself since i got my computer and been reading all sorts is this .. The quantum world is based on probabilities and so there has always been a probabilty that there could be a universe, the universe came from a quantum vaccum 14 billions years ago... what state was before that is imposible to tell
Basically from a science point of view there is a universe because there was always a probabilty that there could be one...
Also what i am saying is that im 25 years old, i did'nt finish school & had no idea what so ever about physics untill i brought my computer, so instead of coming here and writting
stupid coments why dont you put some time and effort into reading about these subjects
first and educate yourself
This is aimed at the OP , grrrr !
Rant over
Edited by Fabric, : minor spelling

Fabric
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Joined: 02-27-2005


Message 106 of 303 (367375)
12-01-2006 8:23 PM


if you universe did'nt come into being by a higher intelligence like God ect..
then it must of started some how, and thats the thing that amaze's me , i find
it mind blowing how theres something rather than nothing it fancinates me,
personly i like the chaotic inflation theory that says theres many universe's and
we just live in one of them, to me that solves alot of the fine tuning problems ect..
also id love to meet some of you guys and have this discussion over a few beers
i recon it would be most enjoyable

Fabric
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Posts: 41
From: London, England
Joined: 02-27-2005


Message 255 of 303 (369938)
12-15-2006 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Chiroptera
12-13-2006 7:16 PM


maybe theres other universe's too....??
This is a quote from Chiroptera...
"No. It is beyond science. Science basically describes what happens in the universe. I doubt it will ever be able to answer a question like why the universe exists.
Think about strange the question is. The "beginning of the universe" is the beginning of time itself. Before the beginning, there was no time. It is like asking what is north of the North Pole. It is a nonsense question; by definition, the North Pole is the northern most point.
In the same way, the ultimate beginning of the universe is the very first instant of time. There is no "before". So what does one mean by a "cause" for the universe? When people say "A causes B", they mean that they see A precede B in time. But nothing can precede the universe in time, because there is no time before the universe itself. Therefore, when people talk about a "cause" for the universe, I don't really know what they mean."
I like reading your post's because they are very clear and you explain things well, what i would like to know is your thoughts on the fine tuning of the universe, im sure your well a where of the fact that if the fundamentle constants ect.. were different just by a small fraction then the universe and life would be very different or impossible...
i would like to know other peoples thoughts on this too because recently this has been on my mind alot because if you stand back and look at the universe's structure and compatabillty for life it does look as though its been designed, im not saying it has but you can see why people argue this point
i dont want too bring any religeon into this but i would like to point out that im an agnostic, what i have real trouble dealing with is that the one universe there is, has structure, stars, galaxys,filaments etc.. and is hospitaple to life
what a coinsidence or not ???
Edited by Fabric, : a spelling mistake

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