The infinite space of the Universe

You're right. This the position of conventional science as I understand it.However, if you were able to take a physical perfectly straight steel bar and extend it without bending it infinitely what properties are in that steel straight edge which would allow it to come back to where it began to extend?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

But we observe that the physical intrauniversal straight bar which we observe has no properties capable of rejoining itself. How does that figure??

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Well then let's assume the bar is perfectly straight as it extends infinitely. You still haven't identified the properties of a straight rigid bar which render it capable of rejoining itself.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

The distances should make no difference if the rigid bar is indeed perfectly straight projecting vertically perpendicular from the surface of the earth/globe.My question pertains to the properties of the rigid perfectly straight bar itself. What properties of it renders it capable of rejoining itselfEdited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Your wall the length of the circumference of the planet is not going to be perfectly level for that length. If it is perfectly level
for the whole length it is going to end up resting on the earth like a teeter totter.The same with my bar if it is perfectly straight. No way is it going to rejoin itself it it is a perfectly straight physical bar. The properties of it just don't allow for that.My point in all this is to argue for static boundless/infinite space. There are no properties of space which are going to overcome the properties of a straight steel straight edge bar so as to prevent it from going straight out into space into infinity. The bar is used as a model only. Of course we know it's impossible for a bar to keep from bending from the weight etc but even then it wouldn't rejoin to the same location.I'm all eyes and ears if someone can show otherwise.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I'm talking reality. The property of the bar makes my point for boundless space and you're trying to shift the focus on your ideology of space, assuming it's circular. Nobody knows how big the universe is. The alleged bounds of it are not visible.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

The measurement of the bar's straightness is irrelevant. As a model for the purpose of this debate, assume it is perfectly straight, what is relevant is the properties of the bar. You have yet to explain what properties the bar has to bend and reconnect to the base of it's beginning, resting perpendicular to the surface of the earth.Also what properties of space is capable of bending the perfectly straight bar of steel to reconnect itself. Edited by Buzsaw, : Spelling

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Merriam Webster's prime #1 definition: 1. What properties of alleged curved space render space capable of forcing my straight bar to curve/bend so as to rejoin?

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2. How can "free from curves/bends" apply to my straight bar. Are we
abandoning all sense of logic here so as to ignore reality?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

The problem lies in that my bar is not a ring/circle. It is like the axis of the planet whereas Lyx2no's, Cavediver's and Straggler's is a ring/circle. Mine is straight in all trajectoral dimensions. This is what I've continually described and they are trying to turn my straight bar into a ring/circle. No way can they make my straight bar rejoin itself. Neither the properties of space or the bar allow for it.Don't forget, IaJ, I'm debating for my static unbounded space universe and they are debating for their bounded space circular universe.They are doing the tricky dicky non-real thing of using a 2d spatial model for their 3d reality universe like their bogus (imo) 2d balloon model for their 3d (spatial) universe. I'm using the prime #1a and1b definition of straight pertaining to an uncurved straight bar whereas they are using a 2d #1b definition applying to a ring/circle such as Lyx2no's circular global wall. They're demeaning me about legitimatly arguing for my hypothesis, insisting that I must use their model. It's the typical one sided high horse attitude the majority POV folks sometimes apply in these debates when alternatives POVs are aired.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Cavediver, in all due respect for your knowledge and education in science, you called for me to define straight which I did. Now you ignore the factual primary #1a/b definition and resort to insult and personal attack.I called for you to state the properties of space which render it capable of curving/bending a straight (all dimensional) bar (not a ring) and the properties of a straight bar (not a ring) which enables it to go full circle and rejoin itself.When are you going to refrain from personal attack and address my point/question?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

It's definitely not helpful for your POV, but it's the bonafide definition of straight which supports my POV. Again with all due respect, you seem to have lost your way in logic and reality. No way does a straight bar (not ring) as it is observed physically have the properties to curve/bend to meet itself, whether it is miles long, millions of miles long or infinitely long.Again, I'm patiently waiting for you (abe: or any one else) to state the properties of space and of this bar (not ring) to rejoin itself. LOL. Dissenters need not bother. Edited by Buzsaw, : Add phrase

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Whether it's curved or not, what you need to do is to state the properties of space/spacetime which enables it to bend/curve a straight (not circular) rigid bar into a circle and rejoin itself.
You can apply math and QM til the cows come home but reality comes full circle to kick you're butt.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Again my definition of straight is more bonafide and complete than yours when applied to my model which I'm using. Yours is incomplete for my model, allowing curvature by applying a 2d in place of my all dimensional bar which becomes a circle to accommodate your POV. Again, my model is the bar going through the earth's axis. Yours belts the circumference of the earth.If my all dimensional bar, say 500 miles long, were resting on the face of the earth it would look like a teeter toter No property of space is going to change that, no matter how long it is extended.If not, what are the properties of the straight bar in all trajectoral dimensions which allegedly allows it to rejoin itself? You have yet to answer that which is vital to the debate. There's where you abandon reality and logic. In order for the bar to rejoin physically, it must bend/curve. It then looses it's property of straightness as per the dictionary primary #1a/b definition of straight which I have provided.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

My position has always been from the beginning to here in the thread that I consider space infinite, static and boundless, having no properties except area in which everything else exists included forces matter and energy. There is nothing left to effect curvature or expansion.Satellites orbit in space due to things/forces in space/area and not due to space itself. That's my position and has been all along but everybody wants me to debate my concept of space to fit their model.Btw, I thought I made it clear that my bar was straight and not level to the earth.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

How do we know that forces or other factors occupying space/area are not effecting what is being called space curvature?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.