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Melchior Inactive Member |
But that would require fundamental changes in what the stars are made out of (most likely 'inventing' new types of atoms).
Saying that "It magically changes to whatever we need." is not an useful model in any way. If you want us to take you serious, you'll need to actually provide something well thought over which actually says something specific. Otherwise you're just coming up with stuff as you go along.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:Light in our physical universe would be the same. The reason we see it even from far away, would be because, it was already on the way here as it was slowed. If it wasn't simple slowing to present speed, then some process from the seperation which resulted in our physical light. The process left us seeing the far away light still, but light was changed, for our plane, so it was slow now. PS If you do reply please try to be clear you are not playing games, if you expect any real answer from me. I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, as you seem to know a lot about cosmology. But at the same time the general flavor of your posts strikes me as sarcastic, and a sort of junior high type of fogginess, and tounge in cheek -would be cleverness, written more for a giggling friend than who it is posted for. By the way I'm closing the thread very soon, from my point anyhow, so if anyone can really shoot the concept down, fine. If not, thanks for the imput.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
the formula is
F = G*m*M/d/d where
On the surface of the earth this defaults to the more familiar f=g*m where g = ~10 m/s/s = G*M/d/d (where d = the average radius of the earth) So yes, the closer the boy and girl get, the stronger the force, and as they collapse on the floor, the closer they can get ... we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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simple  Inactive Member |
I don't know what you mean. All I've said is it split off, and became what we have now. The process was such that it was a more or less uninterupted flow, now, at a slow physical plane speed. So yes, before the split it was fudamentally very different.
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simple  Inactive Member |
quote:Happy hunting
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Melchior Inactive Member |
Oh, I am very familiar with that formula. What I was suprised by was that you claim that the internal distances in a black hole isn't changed from it's non-hole state.
To which I responded to say that the only way for something to have a higher centralized deformation due to gravity was if it occupied less space (as per the formula). So is or is not a black hole denser than the star it was 'made' from?
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Melchior Inactive Member |
Just short checkup here... Are you at least slightly familiar with all of the following concepts?
- Frequency- Wavelenght - Spectra from stars (based upon the elements within it)
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simple  Inactive Member |
Whoops, sorry, Abby I mistook the post as an answer to another post.
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simple  Inactive Member |
Slightly is a good word. Why would the wavelength, or spectrum, indicate that light does not jive with the two planes splitting?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
s'okay
we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
not quite what I said -- perceived from inside the black hole the distances would appear unchanged, but view from outside they would be reduced in size -- it is the relativity space warped thing.
the gravity force of the star as measured from far enough away before and after the collapse would be the same -- nothing has been added or taken from the equation to change that significantly. this usually takes a super-nova to produce - lesser nova produce "neutron stars" that are super dense but still allow light to escape - and the outer material gets blown off while the inner material gets blown in, compacted. {{if you measure the gravity from inside the blown away shell ... it should be less?}} If the force is great enough it will be compressed inside the "event horizon" for its mass and become a black hole. In theory any amount of mass could be compacted into a black hole, but the forces needed are cosmic in scale so it won't happen even for something the size of our sun. QAD nutshell explanation. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
ahahahahahaaa
happy in deed we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The reason we see it even from far away, would be because, it was already on the way here as it was slowed.
light from before already arrived, light slowed in ((now 12 day) "process") affected by that stretching to be very significantly different from 'normal' light and thus will be noticeably different for stars inside the "age horizon" from those outside the "horizon" by a factor of 2 million. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If it wasn't simple slowing to present speed, then some process from the seperation which resulted in our physical light. shouldn't affect our weight. any word on the biblical justification on the 12 days? (the Hindu model rules) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
If it wasn't simple slowing to present speed, then some process from the seperation which resulted in our physical light. The process left us seeing the far away light still, but light was changed, for our plane, so it was slow now.
and the change from one to the other was by a factor of 2 million. I think most people would notice ... maybe not all but most. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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