Culverin writes:
Logic dictates that there is no way to prove that God DOESN'T exist.
Not really. Many definitions of God are subject to falsification via
reductio ad absurdum.
Culverin writes:
I doubt that I will have time in my limited hours and days of breath to work out where God or the universe came from.
You don't need that many hours to reason that the universe did not "come from" anywhere or anything at all.
Cluverin writes:
It has yet to be philosophized or theorized into a scientifically provable method in the 3,000 to 4,000 years of recorded history so I can be pretty certain that I won't be given an answer in the near future.
The answer is rather clear, actually. Your inquiry assumes that the universe had to have "come from" something or somewhere, which is a faulty assumption.
Cluverin writes:
Without God, we have no purpose.
False.
Cluverin writes:
Without God, we also do not have a concrete foundation upon which to lay mores of Good and Evil.
False.
Cluverin writes:
Without God, everything is relative.
False.
Cluverin writes:
Without God, you have no reason to expect an afterlife and therefore, to expect consequences to your actions in this life.
False.
Cluverin writes:
Without God, you are justified to do what you like, when you like, to whatever or whoever you like, as long as you are willing to accept the consequences of your actions, in this life.
False.
Cluverin writes:
Without God, love has no rational long term reward and it is logically proveable that there is greater pleasure in seeking material gain and stepping on those that get in your way.
False.
Cluverin writes:
Without God, the universe has no meaning.
False.
Cluverin writes:
Without God I hate you all because it does not matter that I do.
Sounds like a personal problem to me.
Cluverin writes:
But with God, I have purpose. Love has purpose.
No, with God love has another purpose beside the one we give it individually. Farmer's raise pigs for ham and bacon -- does that mean that this pig's purpose is to be slaughtered?
Cluverin writes:
With God, there is a chance that there is more to our existence than meets the eye.
This is also possible without your God.
Cluverin writes:
With God, right and wrong, good and evil, up and down are all only subject to God's creation and not man's ideals.
So then you have no problem stating that right and wrong are subjective, correct? Do you realize that by postulating your God as the supreme moral arbiter you've reduced morality to "might makes right"?
Cluverin writes:
With God, I can explain my existence in terms that do not lead to dispair, hatred and separation of self.
With God, I am defined and do not have to worry about my own self definition.
Again, sounds like a personal problem to me.
Cluverin writes:
With God, I love you all because he put Christ in me and now there is a good reason to.
Where is Christ in you, exactly? If we performed some exploratory surgery, where would we look to find Him?
Blessings,
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