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Author Topic:   Quantum physics: Copenhagen vs decoherence interpretations
Syamsu 
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Message 47 of 57 (482360)
09-16-2008 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Straggler
09-15-2008 7:45 PM


Re: Freewill
Daniel Dubois, Robert Rosen, Karl Pribram, Stuart Kaufmann are several other scientists who have theory that supports free wil. I also see much comment that they perceive themselves as fighting the big mainstream reductionist group, with many issues having opposing free explanations and a reductionist explanation. For example red-shift by big bang according to reductionists, and redshift by newly formed galaxies according to the "decisionists". That is the big paradigm-shift in science that is waiting to happen since many decades.

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Syamsu 
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Message 49 of 57 (482437)
09-16-2008 4:45 PM
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09-16-2008 2:21 PM


Re: Freewill
Well spoken, like an ideal atheist. You pressure science on people with such force, while at the same time you say it is depressingly nihilistic. I also wonder how for instance people will be ready to be a judge or juror, when they havent learned to differentiate free behaviour from forced behaviour.
Strange that you would object to weirdness of toothbrushes deciding in a thread about quantummechanics. Evidently you know very little about the weird findings of qm in regards to interrference, and whichway information.
And you are right that I loathe science, and scientists generally also. But even I can understand that fundamentally there is a generally free will paradigm, and a generally causal paradigm, since the scientists talk about these 2 fundamental paradigms commonly. You dismissed the free will paradigm, so nice going for getting nowhere at all in discussing quantum mechanics.

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