On the causes of sexual orientation

Actually, I think it is clear that you don't know.The available evidence is that all sexual orientations are caused in the same way.

Nosy, the way I feel about this sexual orientation issue can be likened to the elephant in the room. The elephant in the room is the attempt by gays to get everybody in the room to avoid seeing this elephant for what it really is. What it really is is not the same thing as what the black issue, for example, really is ” it's not like any racial thing at all. What it is is a blatant act of The Emperor's New Clothes.Isn't it really silly to say that what causes heterosexuality also causes homosexuality? Pardon me for spotting that elephant standing over there by the closet, but doesn't he look a just little out of place?I still think homosexuality is an aberration, even if it is a natural aberration. And I don't really believe anymore that it has to be a bad aberration, even if that was how I was taught by my football teammates in the locker room. Perhaps it is some kind of a positive mechanism to a population; obviously, it doesn't seem to go away via NS. I'm glad to have read your posted article. But I do wonder if increasing gayness truly represents a good thing for the human population. Maybe it's nature's way of telling us we're in serious trouble.*”HM*On the principle of my fifth WHEREAS in Message 1.

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And I don't really believe anymore that it has to be a bad aberration, even if that was how I was taught by my football teammates in the locker room.

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Well hello there. In all fairness, it could be said that blond hair and blue eyes are also "abberations." After all, they are the result of rare, defective genes that eliminate the ability to produce pigment in the cells of the eye and hair follicles."Aberration" is a strong word for something that is just a rare mutation distinct from a wild-type.

I'm sure that's how the Picts felt about the Viking raiders. Would you prefer "sexual mutant"?”HM

Why do you think this is silly? As I said, it seems very clear that you haven't a clue about what causes either. You still haven't said what you think causes heterosexuality. What exactly do you mean by "aberration". That word seems loaded with some negative connotations.It is in fact just part of the wide variation in sexual orientations that humans (and other animals have). There are individuals (about 1%) who are asexual (no interest at all). I might consider that an aberration but it isn't any more aberrant than my interest in women it is just less common. It is part of a continuum of human variation.One person might be asexual, one a bit interested in sex another very interested indeed. Someone mildly interested might decide that anothers stronger interest is "aberrant". But on what basis?Humans also run a gamut of degrees of orientation toward the opposite or same sex. There is no hard and fast line. All the information I have seen suggests that sexual orientation (where ever it is on this continuum) is all underlain by the same causes.Humans aren't even completely divided into male and female. There are individuals who are on the line between and some a bit closer to the line between (but still on one side or the other) than the majority.If you don't think it is a "bad" aberration then why is a way of nature telling us we are in serious trouble? It is just part of the way the population as a whole is made up.How about, for a change, you answer some of the questions put to you instead of making childish little comments?

The silliest question on this thread is "What causes heterosexuality?" That's like asking What causes testicles? The only thing I know of that causes my heterosexuality is the testosterone surging through my system. And for some odd reason I have gotten the notion that this is the way it's supposed to be. I no longer see women because they are too much trouble for me in my 70th year of life. One learns this from experience, even if one still ogles women at the grocery store. But never once did I have a yearning to ogle men instead of women. To this day it still seems like an aberration to me, although I haven't any experience being gay. Being gay means to me that something is askew. If it is askew for good biological reasons” say population control ” then that helps me to understand it. But it's still a deviation from the norm. It seems like an aberration to me because it invites NS, according the my fifth WHEREAS in the OP.Besides, the only pressing issue that concerns me about gays is their demands for state-sanctioned, same-sex marriages. That's where the aberration part comes in. "Same-sex marriage" is an oxymoron, like "one hand clapping."”HM

While testesterone may be the only thing you have thought of, it is hardly the sole reason, if any reason at all, for sexual orientation.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

Are you saying that if my mother had put pink booties on my feet instead of blue ones I might have turned gay?”HMEdited by Hoot Mon, : No reason given.

Let's review: Message 66Hoot Mon writes:

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The only thing I know of that causes my heterosexuality is the testosterone surging through my system.

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Message 67 I write:

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While testesterone may be the only thing you have thought of, it is hardly the sole reason, if any reason at all, for sexual orientation.

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Now Hoot Mon writes:

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Are you saying that if my mother had put pink booties on my feet instead of blue ones I might have turned gay?

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The obvious answer is no. It is also a completely stupid statement unrelated to what I stated.What I don't understand is how one could argue that testosterone is the sole cause of sexual orientation. Are you saying all gay males have less testosterone? Wouldn't that mean they have less of a sex drive? (and if gay males lack the testosterone to 'get it up' what is your problem? they are all functionally asexual) What about females that average 10% of male testosterone among their hormones? Does your blanket statement mean all females are gay?Please think before posting.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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The silliest question on this thread is "What causes heterosexuality?" That's like asking What causes testicles? The only thing I know of that causes my heterosexuality is the testosterone surging through my system. And for some odd reason I have gotten the notion that this is the way it's supposed to be.

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Christ, you're 70 years old? Don't you recall how in the 1950s homosexuality was "treated" with hormone supplements that didn't work at all? How can you maintain that "testosterone" is an adequate answer to the issue of the biological difference between homo and heterosexuality?Hell, Alan Turing, one of the greatest minds of your generation, committed suicide because he was forced to take hormones that made him sterile and obese.

No, it's not. Let little pink booties be a metaphor for what science doesn't know about the causes of homosexuality. Homosexuals don't even know what causes them to be homosexual. Genes? Developmental? Nutrition? Population conditions? Kooties? Nobody seems to know what causes such a deviation from normal sexuality, which is heterosexuality. I can show you evidence in support of this. I'm saying I don't know anything about what causes homosexuality. And I am also saying I do know what causes my heterosexuality, at least I think I do. Honestly, it feels quite nature being a heterosexual man who loves women. It also feels good to my genes, which are selfishly counting on me to use my masculine equipment on a woman in an effort to pass them on to my children. But my genes would be mightily frustrated in this regard if I tried to pass them on to another man, which I never do.”HM

That's the kind of comment I meant before. It doesn't make you look all that clever.

No, I don't. Well, maybe my brain is wired heterosexuality, too, but I think it got that way from instructions on my Y chromosome, and from the hormones they informed. Makes me wonder what happened to gay men's Y chromosomes. Maybe its a font issue ” lower case. Was he forced? I knew he was gay, but he was crazy smart, too, like so many geniuses. Maybe he was predisposed to suicide.”HM

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Was he forced? I knew he was gay, but he was crazy smart, too, like so many geniuses. Maybe he was predisposed to suicide.

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It was the 50s. Of course he was forced.He pulled a Snow White and ate an apple injected with cyanide.

I honestly don't think his intent is to look clever. I just think he wants to be annoying to those of us who take this seriously. After all, nobody is this delusional!

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.