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Straggler
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Message 31 of 104 (483361)
09-21-2008 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by cavediver
09-21-2008 6:14 PM


Re: Thanks to both Son and Cave
How familiar are you with Lagrangian mechanics?
Well I would be motivated to brush up on this long forgotten knowledge in order to take part in the Cavediver/Son Goku EvC String theory "correspondence" course.

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Message 36 of 104 (483894)
09-24-2008 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Son Goku
09-23-2008 9:23 PM


Re: Thanks to both Son and Cave
Well Cavediver seems unconvinced but in the absence of knowing where it is we are trying to end up and thus no idea of the best way to get there, your description so far seemed perfectly clear to me.
I don't know how you typed the symbols you did but my understanding is that the quantum field equation (of your last paragraph) tells us the probability of the field being in any particular state at time t in the same way that the normal Schrod equation tells us the probability of a particles position at a time t. Where the state of the field is itself a description of it's strength at any position x.
I realise that my descriptions probably add little but they are my way of checking that I have understood and allow for my interpretation to be corrected if obviously wrong.
Feel free to do so.

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Straggler
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Message 59 of 104 (486088)
10-15-2008 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Son Goku
10-12-2008 2:35 PM


Re: Field Theory and Particles
A Hilbert space is then the set of all these lists or the set of all (,t). (Basically Hilbert Space is a space where each "point" in the space is a specific (,t))
So a Hilbert space is a space of points where each point is a probability amplitude of all the possible field configurations.
Each probability amplitude is itself infinite because the number of possible field configurations is, in practise, infinite.
So what decides how many points there are in a particular Hilbert space? Is the number of points also infinite in practise? Or not? How many would there be to represent your 4 possible field states?
How many dimensions does a given Hilbert space have, what decides this, what do these dimensions physically reperesent?
Apologies if the questions are dum but if they are I doubt I am alone in my lack of comprehension............

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Straggler
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Message 65 of 104 (486442)
10-20-2008 4:22 PM
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10-12-2008 2:35 PM


Re: Field Theory and Particles
Also since the original field configuration probability amplitudes obeyed relativity and causality, the new particle ones will as well. Voila!, a theory of relativistic quantum particles.
QM is often cited as being non-causal in the sense that, for example, we cannot predict which atoms will decay we can only say how many atoms will decay. In this sense QM is considered to be inherently probabalistic and "non-causal".
Does QFT give rise to causality in this sense or am I getting my "causalities" mixed up? What exactly did you mean by causality in this context?

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Straggler
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Message 66 of 104 (486444)
10-20-2008 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Son Goku
10-18-2008 7:51 AM


Re: Field Theory and Particles
If we considered a simple example such as a single electron and the corresponding electric field how would we go about constructing our probability amplitudes and constructing our Hilbert space?
Or is this where things get impossible without the required maths?
Even if the process of constructing the Hilbert space for such an example is beyond this discussion could you describe what the Hilbert space for a such an example would look like?

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Straggler
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Message 77 of 104 (501786)
03-07-2009 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Son Goku
12-18-2008 12:21 PM


Re: Quantum Probability 1
Yes it does make sense and don't for one minute think that my lack of response equals a lack of interest!!!
I will no doubt be back soon with my conceptual 'recap' and more questions but in the meantime please note that a lack of response does not equal a lack of interest.
It is just harder to engage and less obvious to pursue than the more accessible "creationist are wrong" debates.
Long may the SG masterclass continue.

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Straggler
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Message 85 of 104 (517577)
08-01-2009 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Son Goku
07-29-2009 4:13 PM


Re: Bell's theorem.
Hello. Yes I am still reading and yes I think I am still following.
This actually leads to a popular misconception about QM. QM is not nonlocal, it's totally local. Nothing is transmitted faster-than-light. Rather any theory which tries to replicate QM while claiming the probability is due to ignorance must be nonlocal.
Here you are referring to exactly the sort of "spooky action at a distance" type misconception mentioned in Message 80 right? The difference between correlation and causation as per:
SG talking about entanglement in msg 80 writes:
However as anybody familiar with statistics has heard, correlation is not causation. In order to establish causation we need to perform a few other statistical checks beyond correlation. The particles fail these tests. So it is not causation which is occuring. The particles are not actually affecting each other's spins magically at a distance.
In other words there is no faster than light communication of any sort occurring between entangled particles. Exactly as per Bell's theorem. Right?
So can we totally discount the possibility of a "real, honest and old fashioned" theory underlying QM on this basis? Or is this still considered a meaningful possibility? Is anyone working on such a thing?
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 90 of 104 (555662)
04-14-2010 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Son Goku
04-14-2010 8:22 AM


Re: Magnetic Moment of the Electron.
Just to let you know that I (and no doubt others) are still following this!!
I hope to read your post properly soon and ask questions at some point after. Hopefully in less than 9 months time......
And to those unfamiliar with this on-off long running thread - It is a masterclass in advanced physics for simpletons that anyone interested in such things should take note of.

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